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Related: About this forumGood news: Vanderbilt ties racial justice to religion in new program
from the article:
Today, as dean of Vanderbilt Divinity School, Townes is behind an effort to make that question a thing of the past with a new collaborative aimed at eradicating hate and promoting racial harmony.
To read more:
http://religionnews.com/2017/09/19/vanderbilt-ties-racial-justice-to-religion-in-new-program/
edhopper
(33,590 posts)Surely racial justice is a worthwhile cause on it's own without religion?
What does religion have to do with a call for eradicating hate?
amalasuntha
(15 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Did you also ask the poster who posted about atheism in the religion group as to reasons?
edhopper
(33,590 posts)the person who said someone who decided not to kill themselves because, they said, of their atheism, had nothing to do with atheism.
Works both ways. Though I doubt you can see that.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And I explained the why. And then I asked if you exhibited the same curiosity about a person posting about atheism in a forum devoted to religion.
So one might wonder why the apparent double standard.
edhopper
(33,590 posts)thread about the woman who decided not to kill herself and maybe you will understand.
If not maybe someone can explain it to you.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)No place for non-believers in this program, it seems. Kinda discriminatory but hey, we're used to it. Christian love and all that.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)They always leave out atheists. Of course we're always"welcome" to the festivities, if we nod along with all the praying and keep under wraps that whole non-belief thing...
Like the interfaith stuff, always setup as some all inclusive event, but they don't realize the name exclude atheists.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Have you attempted to join any social justice coalitions that include religious groups?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And what were the qualifications?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)My son would have to lie/fake a belief in SOME sort of supernatural overlord to be a member, and I would as well to be a scout leader.
One of their members (who knows full fucking well I am an atheist) tried to recruit me AGAIN last week.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Had to fake believe to get my Eagle.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)that any such "purity test" would be required. One wonders if the ACLU would be interested in pursuing this.
But the Boy Scouts are not really a social justice coalition so the example is not on point.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)on religious/Lemon Test grounds.
For now it is a legal form of discrimination.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)And I have tried joining"interfaith" groups and they live up to what I said.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Not meaning to sound sarcastic, but there are social justice coalitions that are not based on faith. It is up to you to find one, or failing that, perhaps to start one.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Fuck 'em, let 'em start their own group, huh?
Nice. Feeling that Christian love...
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)That you apparently read what you feel that you need to read into whatever comment is made.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)These things are founded to be "all inclusive" but then exclude a populace, kinda hypocritical, isn't it?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)that non-theists are excluded? Do you have additional information not included in the original link?
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Are you only counting if someone says "I am excluding this group" as valid? Cause if you do you have a lot to learn when it comes to social justice.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But in line with your assumption, one wonders how many non-believers attend or would wish to attend a divinity school.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I feel confident saying the number is non-zero.
So moving on from your feeble and failed attempt at trying to dismiss this discrimination, it is worth nothing other quotes from the article:
There are laypeople, business owners, community organizers, and students who are non-believers. You know that, right?
A "national hub for racial justice" should by definition include everyone, not just religious believers.
So are you OK with discriminating against atheists?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Perhaps, rather than impute motives on the basis of your personal belief, you should contact the program and speak about your concerns.
Alternatively, you could also work on a national and/or local hub for racial justice. or join an existing group.
I realize that criticism is easy for some, and certainly far easier than actually building a coalition.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I'm pointing out that these efforts are explicitly excluding atheists.
Rather than acknowledge the fact, you just seek to excuse it, and attack me.
Par for the course though, as I've learned. Some Christians are just full of hate, not love.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Unless you can provide proof that these efforts explicitly exclude non-theists. And I notice that you ignored the rest of my response. Why?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I quoted the article you posted demonstrating that these efforts exclude anyone who doesn't have religious faith.
You haven't disputed that AT ALL; you've only made it personal again. Like I said, par for the course.
Apparently you do support discrimination against atheists. You haven't said otherwise.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But you have the right to your opinion.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Bless your heart.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)I'm going to call out religious bigotry anytime I see it.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)This stuff exclude atheists. Not opinion.
If you don't understand why maybe listen to the Atheists who are telling you how.
Theists don't like atheists being vocal because it causes doubt. Try being a vocal atheist in any sort of this group. And I don't even mean display that you're an atheist as much as Christians of Muslims or any other faith advertises, just bring it up when it comes up. If they ask you to pray, or where you go to church. See how welcoming it feels.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)It is that simple. And that, no matter how obvious the attempt to divert, is the only issue in this sub-thread.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)You saying so doesn't make it so.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)There are laypeople, business owners, community organizers, and students who are non-believers. You know that, right?
The goal is to create a national hub for racial justice. Faith, she said, is a vital spoke in that hub.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)If she had said that faith was the only hub, I would agree with you, but unfortunately for your argument, she did not. Generally spoked wheels have multiple spokes or they would be solid wheels.
And nowhere in the article does it say that they would exclude non-theists. You are assuming something with no evidence for it. So again, unless you have some evidence to present, I will respectfully disagree.