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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 12:52 PM Oct 2017

Intolerance in action: Austria burqa ban: Man dressed as shark falls afoul of new law

From the article:

Austrian police issued a fine to a man dressed as a shark under new anti-burqa laws, Austrian media reported on Monday.
The mascot was standing outside a new outlet of the McShark electronics store in Vienna when he was asked by police to remove his shark head. When he refused, he was issued with a fine, which can be up to €150 ($176).
The new laws aimed at prohibiting people from covering their faces in public came into effect at the start of October. The rule came as part of legislation approved in May.......


To read more:

http://www.dw.com/en/austria-burqa-ban-man-dressed-as-shark-falls-afoul-of-new-law/a-40872491?utm_content=buffera19a6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Austria does have a history of intolerance. Another example.
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Intolerance in action: Austria burqa ban: Man dressed as shark falls afoul of new law (Original Post) guillaumeb Oct 2017 OP
"intolerance" trotsky Oct 2017 #1
Intolerance is a source of humor for you? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #4
It is when you use the word incorrectly, yes. trotsky Oct 2017 #5
Do you have access to an english dictionary? And if so, why your claim? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #6
You're disagreeing with me. trotsky Oct 2017 #7
No, I am correcting you and helping you guillaumeb Oct 2017 #8
You are not respecting my beliefs. trotsky Oct 2017 #9
Do you mean your "ability", or your choice perhaps, to use words incorrectly? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #11
Incorrectly according to your opinion. trotsky Oct 2017 #14
Feel free to support your position on word usage. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #17
Thank you for confirming my point. n/t trotsky Oct 2017 #18
And thank you for confirming mine. Again. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #20
A "shark" without a shark head isn't really a shark, is it? SwissTony Oct 2017 #2
After reading the article, guillaumeb Oct 2017 #3
Let's remove religion from the situation entirely for a thought experiment. trotsky Oct 2017 #10
Why does he dress as he does? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #12
I said let's remove religion from the scenario. trotsky Oct 2017 #13
So his dress is entirely a matter of personal choice, unconnected to any other beliefs? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #15
Stay on task. Please answer my question. trotsky Oct 2017 #16
Allow me: guillaumeb Oct 2017 #19
I am asking you to clearly answer the question. trotsky Oct 2017 #21
No, I did answer. guillaumeb Oct 2017 #22
I totally agree with your sentiment. trotsky Oct 2017 #23

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. Do you have access to an english dictionary? And if so, why your claim?
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:09 AM
Oct 2017

Allow me to help you and present a definition of intolerance:

unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own:

And given the history of Austrian intolerance for the Jews, this further example of a law that demonstrates intolerance for Muslims seems to justify my choice of terms.

PS
English is my second language.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. You're disagreeing with me.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 12:53 PM
Oct 2017

You are demonstrating an unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own.

Why are you so intolerant?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. No, I am correcting you and helping you
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:13 PM
Oct 2017

because you seem uncertain of the meaning of the word "intolerant".

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
11. Do you mean your "ability", or your choice perhaps, to use words incorrectly?
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:22 PM
Oct 2017

Linguistic intolerance?

I am tolerant of linguistic error, but I will also attempt to help one who makes such errors so as to avoid future errors.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
14. Incorrectly according to your opinion.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:31 PM
Oct 2017

It's just your opinion, man.

Why are you so intolerant of others' opinions just because they differ from yours?

SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
2. A "shark" without a shark head isn't really a shark, is it?
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 06:28 AM
Oct 2017

Does Austria have something similar to a Disneyland? Mickey and Minnie would look quite unlike their American counterparts.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. After reading the article,
Wed Oct 11, 2017, 09:05 PM
Oct 2017

I felt that it illustrated how Islamophobia can inspire laws specifically designed to discriminate against Muslims,
and how the law of unintended consequences can work.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
10. Let's remove religion from the situation entirely for a thought experiment.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:17 PM
Oct 2017

Say we have a man who insists on wearing a long-sleeved shirt, pants, gloves, and a ski-mask that completely obscures his face every day of his life.

Should he be forced to remove at least the ski mask for an official government ID photo?

Why or why not?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
13. I said let's remove religion from the scenario.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 03:29 PM
Oct 2017

Why does it matter?

He chooses to dress as he does.

Should he be forced to remove the ski mask?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
15. So his dress is entirely a matter of personal choice, unconnected to any other beliefs?
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:47 PM
Oct 2017

If so, he is generally subject to regulations applicable to others in his class. If the regulations for obtaining a driver's license require an unobstructed view of his face, the outcome is obvious.

But if there is no real reason for the regulation, like the regulation in France that prohibited wearing of the burqa on the beach, it seems obvious that there is another motive underlying the regulation.

A Sikh is not required to remove his turban for a passport picture. Nor is a Muslim woman required to remove her hijab.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
16. Stay on task. Please answer my question.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:49 PM
Oct 2017

Should the man in my example be forced to remove his ski mask for an official government ID photo?

Please answer with one word. (Hint: it's going to be either "Yes" or "No." )

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
19. Allow me:
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:53 PM
Oct 2017
If so, he is generally subject to regulations applicable to others in his class. If the regulations for obtaining a driver's license require an unobstructed view of his face, the outcome is obvious.

But if there is no real reason for the regulation, like the regulation in France that prohibited wearing of the burqa on the beach, it seems obvious that there is another motive underlying the regulation.

A Sikh is not required to remove his turban for a passport picture. Nor is a Muslim woman required to remove her hijab.

(Hint: read the bold portion.)

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
21. I am asking you to clearly answer the question.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 04:57 PM
Oct 2017

I am giving you a specific example, and you are trying to answer with a general, vague statement.

I'll give you one last chance to answer with "yes" or "no" for my specific example.

There is absolutely no reason for you to be this way. If you want to turn the corner and start gaining some respect from others instead of being a laughingstock whom no one takes seriously, ANSWER THE QUESTION.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
22. No, I did answer.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:05 PM
Oct 2017

And the answer was quite clear. Many life situations are not solvable and many questions are not completely answered with a simple binary choice.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
23. I totally agree with your sentiment.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 05:10 PM
Oct 2017

But my question is not one of those vague life situations. It is a specific example created to illustrate a point.

Your refusal to answer my question actually illustrates my point PERFECTLY, though. I gave you ample opportunity this time to avoid humiliating yourself, but you did it again. Sorry, not sorry.

Please have your precious last word to insult me and try to save face. You are not worth any more of my time today.

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