How does Jesus's warning about hypocrisy apply?

This sounds remarkably like a political topic, rather than a religious one. Your example from Jesus doesn't seem to be related, since it is about hypocrisy, rather than the concept you're addressing.

My point, buttressed with a religious citation, is that no one is perfect, and it is better to realize that when criticizing. Jesus point, in my view, was about self-examination, and the realization that we are not perfect.

It's another to be bigoted against an entire group of people.

I am not willing to throw my LGBT allies under the bus in order to praise a church.

You evidently are.

What I expected. Ad hominem attacks are generally a sure sign that the attacker is losing the debate.

Veering off topic just to attack me. How embarrassing for you.

We should ignore all the hate they preach?

is asking for "perfection?" Interesting viewpoint.

Do you expect perfection in any individual or institution? If so, how often are you disappointed?

Here it is again:

Is asking a group not to be bigoted asking for "perfection?"

Please answer the question that was asked, and not one that you made up for yourself.

The question is ridiculous because there is no perfection in humans.

No one is asking for perfection.

We're asking people not to be bigoted.

Evidently you think that is too much to ask.

For many, if a person is progressive (or reasonably so) in many areas but has one glaring flaw, he goes from a saint to an abject reprobate in a matter of seconds. The fall from grace is deafening in its suddenness and thoroughness.

So it is with, for example, (D) women who are progressive but are "pro-life" instead of "pro-choice." There's no way they can be "true Democrats" since they lack the One True Trait.

Of course, if they were pro-choice and failed to support LGBT issues appropriately, some would say they lack the One True Trait.

Or if they were not whole-heartedly in favor of the ACA--or, for some, single payer--they'd be seen lacking the One True Trait.

In other words, for some, you're in complete agreement and perfect or beyond the Pale. There's no compromise with our utter and glorious perfection. Sometimes it's almost as though some Christians deign to let Jesus sit at their right hand. I refer to such as having a pokejeez, just as a pokemon is a "pocket monster". If they fail to live up to their standards, well, they're just human; if others fail to live up to their standards, they're evil and corrupt from birth (and, yes, "their" is ambiguous--I've seen plenty of people condemned not for living up to their personal standards, but for failing to live up to another's personal standards or the standards another imputed to them.)

Which goes back to the necessary humility and tolerance for those who are imperfect referred to in the OP. If nobody's perfect, then an imperfect on one point merely means that you disagree on that one point--there are plenty of other places to find common ground and collaborate.

Being diametrically opposed on the treatment of a group of people is another.

If someone wants to deny equal rights to a group, that's a problem.

the very thing that Igel was discussing.

Thanks for clarifying. Guess we know where your priorities lie.

and I stand by my previous assessment.

if the bigots are religious and are otherwise liberal/progressive in some way.

I also stand by my assessment.

Your surrender is noted.

I love your new "tactic." It lets me correct your errors, and then you give up and end the discussion. Much better than your old tactic of trying to change the subject and start a new thread when you're defeated.

Recommended.

It is better to drop the labels.
Better to address each issue on its merits
Who is going to do the best job of representing me??
Who comes up with these labels??

And Dragons are perfect

but anger is a sign, a small sign but a sign nevertheless, that perfection eludes the angry one.

could you explain that??

Does this satisfy?

a much better answer from you


The only way to truly learn is to question.

Earlier you brought up the point of anger not part of perfect and I pointed out that god got angry and is said to be perfect so it would fit that anger was part of perfect

rape, violence, war, and many other things. One can also be sad that such things happen at all.

once again you skirt the god getting angry question

But lots of people aren't explicitly bigoted assholes.