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Diversion. We watch as the sui-disant Christian "Value Voters" give praise to policies that do obvious harm so many people. We wonder about that. We decry it. And we get diversion. "Well, what about these other Christians? Look what they're doing..." Or we get diversion. "What about those athiests? Look what they did?"
When people who proclaim themselves to be of one religious faith or another do horrible things in the name of their faith, the response, all too often, is for others who adhere to that same faith to divert from criticism of those horrible things by pointing out that some members of the faith do good things, so...it's not all that bad, really.
What we see less often is for people who profess faith of one sort or another actually condemning terrible things that are being done by their coreligionists. I don't see that too much, really. Occasionally it happens, but more often, there is little more than the usual diversion.
I grow weary. I grow frustrated. I grow suspicious.
sprinkleeninow
(20,248 posts)Just because a 'thing' is large and over encompassing in scale/numbers, doesn't necessarily make it '100% good and acceptable'. I do not wish to elaborate further keeping myself outta contention.
Churches, temples, houses of worship are inhabited by humanity in an imperfect state.
'Faith' itself can be beautiful, fulfilling, edifying, uplifting, a vehicle, etc. But humans can desecrate its 'way' and ruin it.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)is missing from within the group. There is just diversion. We see it here, even on DU. Elsewhere, it is pretty much universal. There is a sort of excuse in the "judge not, lest ye also be judged," but there are other verses that encourage Christians to confront those who do wrong, with a specific order in which to do it.
Diversion is not condemnation. We need some condemnation within the overall belief system. We're not seeing it, here or elsewhere.
sprinkleeninow
(20,248 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,248 posts)Another condemnation was posted from the Standing Canonical Orthodox Bishops in America, (IIRC).
These were distributed community wise following the disturbing and disgusting incident in Charlottesville.
I gotta find/retrieve an email from our priest (written by another) regarding last year's GE specifically.
It is the apolitical SOP in Orthodox temples. Unless a 'shepherd' veers off. Oops, not good.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)What is needed is wholesale public condemnation of people who hide their intolerance and ill will behind religion.
sprinkleeninow
(20,248 posts)I got a ole fashion peach basket from the 1950's .
You want I should grab it, stand on my corner and preach? 🤣,🤗,😇
I would invite a ton of unwanted tomatoe (thanx dan
quayle) throwing.
I 'call' people in my proximity on distorted, misinterpreted, and conveniently missing interpretation of Holy Scripture.
Hey now, one guy in my husband's workplace is 'turning'. One down ☑, tons to go.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)that this or that rotten person or group isn't Christian at all (or Muslim, or whatever) because real Christians (etc.) don't act that way.
This is very convenient. You simply define "Christian" (etc.) so as to exclude everyone whose behavior you don't like. Then there's no such thing as a bad Christian (etc.) so there's never any need to confront or condemn them.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)but we can also praise those actions that are progressive.
I grow weary and frustrated also, and perhaps suspicious, when I find people who seem compelled to criticize every action taken by a religious group, even progressive actions that they themselves might agree with.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Simply an observation.
HAB911
(8,891 posts)seems to work well
Htom Sirveaux
(1,242 posts)It makes you choose between cozying up to the powers that be by defending the group identity, and risking the social consequences (and internal identity crisis) of seeming to "take sides" against the group, even in the name of making the group better. One way to resolve the identity crisis is to recenter the group on your own personal identity as a group member, and deny it to the people doing the things you are criticizing. Hence the "no true scotsman" thing.