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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:29 AM Oct 2017

Face coverings

What's your opinion?


6 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
I support Muslim women wearing a full face covering anywhere, anytime. It is 100% a religious freedom issue and no one can require they remove it for any reason.
0 (0%)
I support Muslim women wearing a full face covering, however there are times when faces should be visible such as when taking a photo ID, or conducting business where identity is important.
0 (0%)
I support Muslim women wearing a full face covering at appropriate times, but their faces should generally be visible when in public.
0 (0%)
I think full face coverings are a sign of religious oppression of women, but feel that religious rights are more important and therefore support Muslim women wearing face coverings most/all of the time.
0 (0%)
I think full face coverings are a sign of religious oppression of women, and that some Muslim women are not truly free to make their own choice on this matter. I therefore support secular legislation banning face coverings in public in the hopes that it leads to less religious fundamentalism.
5 (83%)
Other - please comment!
1 (17%)
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CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
1. I think that where ever one would not be allowed to wear a Halloween mask,
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:37 AM
Oct 2017

would be where one would not be allowed to wear a face cover. Personally, I think the cover is oppressive, but who am I to determine that that is the case for every woman who wears one?

Women - we're damned if we do & damned if we don't.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
3. 5 is close
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:47 AM
Oct 2017

I'm just a little hesitant to legislate a ban. I would not like legislation requiring me to conform to a religious fashion.

I would prefer that such practices be called out for what they are: Hate Wear. There is nothing religious about clothing. It's all about telling who is one of US and who is one of THEM. With the word them being spoken with a fiery hate.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
4. Yeah it's hard for me to accept that forcing women to remain covered head-to-toe is in any way...
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 10:11 AM
Oct 2017

supportive or respectful of them. They're people just like men, why do they have to be covered?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
8. The tricky part is the converse argument
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:00 PM
Oct 2017

That they are being forced to be uncovered. If modesty standards in their homeland are so skewed towards covering up completely that some may feel naked if they are forced to dress down.

Conversely again, we do force our women to cover up (and men too) no one is allowed to be naked without penalty, which is also based on religious hangups.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
5. It is a tricky position.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 10:36 AM
Oct 2017

It's not that I "support" non-mandatory religious garb or that I think religious freedom is "more important" than the right to show your face in public. It's that I don't support legislating dress codes beyond certain, limited and reasonable time and place restrictions.



guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. My opinion is that I do not have the right to tell another
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 10:41 AM
Oct 2017

what they can wear, or not wear, in public.

I do not have the authority to tell another that their choice is not a free choice.

I do not have the right to assume that another's choice has been coerced.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. "I do not have the right to tell another what they can wear, or not wear, in public."
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 10:54 AM
Oct 2017

But you support conservative Muslim men having that right? Interesting.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
10. Also supports institution dress codes
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:14 PM
Oct 2017

Argues that it's ok for a church to force girls to wear a dress.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
13. I would respond by asking for a reference to an actual post of mine,
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:01 PM
Oct 2017

but I know how this process unfolds.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
14. You will never, ever get me to find anything for you ever again.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:06 PM
Oct 2017

Not when you have steadfastly refused to EVER back up the claims you make about posts you say you've read.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
15. An excellent response by you, allowing you to claim many things and prove none of
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:08 PM
Oct 2017

the claims when asked about them.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
12. But you delegate that to the state.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:40 PM
Oct 2017

Presumably you'd object to, or be ok with the government objecting on your behalf, to everyone running around naked all the time.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
16. I would prefer to not see everyone running around naked,
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:10 PM
Oct 2017

but I cannot see a compelling reason to require clothing, except for safety clothing when appropriate.

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