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MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 02:42 PM Dec 2017

In the Secular World, A Mystery Is a Problem to Solve.

In the religious world, a mystery is offered as the solution to the mystery in many cases. When difficult questions arise, "It's a great sacred mystery" can be used as an answer, and some people will simply accept that answer.

In fact, such "mysteries" are at the core of some religious beliefs. Columbo isn't going to walk in in his rumpled raincoat and explain it all in the last minute of the show. The mystery is also the answer to the mystery.

Such is the nature of a Tautology.

How can Jesus be 100% human and 100% a deity? This is a mystery beyond human understanding.
How does the bread and wine become the flesh and blood of Jesus? This is the mystery of the holy eucharist.
How is faith evidence of things unseen? That, too, is a mystery, my son...

This is sufficient for some. It is not sufficient for me.

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In the Secular World, A Mystery Is a Problem to Solve. (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2017 OP
God works in mysterious ways......... Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #1
Yes, if you assume God in the first place. MineralMan Dec 2017 #3
It seems god is the tipping point Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #5
It does, doesn't it? MineralMan Dec 2017 #6
A New Religion Has Emerged Angry Dragon Dec 2017 #7
And like most churches that follow the Prosperity Ministry MineralMan Dec 2017 #8
"The Influence of the Mystery Religions on Christianity" MineralMan Dec 2017 #2
If you read the essay above, you might be interested in an earlier one MineralMan Dec 2017 #4
This was the original meaning - secret rites that you had to be initiated into muriel_volestrangler Dec 2017 #9

MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
3. Yes, if you assume God in the first place.
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:08 PM
Dec 2017

If you don't, you see by observations that children, like all humans, die. You see that suffering is endemic in humans, as well. If you assume God, then you might ask such an unanswerable question. If not, the answer is clear to anyone who has lived for very long.

Why did your child die? Because it got a disease, had a defect from the time of birth, or suffered an accident or external violence.

Why do people suffer? See above.

The real answers are simple. If you assume God, however, then everything becomes a mystery.

MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
6. It does, doesn't it?
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:23 PM
Dec 2017

Apparently, when you assign important functions to a deity and worship that deity, you expect that deity to do things for you, such as keep you safe, etc. That seems to me to be a rather futile thing to do. In most cases, I think, relying on an invisible deity rather than yourself would appear to be a poor choice.

One can pray to such a deity and hope for action to be taken, I think, or one can take action on one's own behalf. In many situations, the latter would seem to be more certain to be efficacious.

A person without a deity is a person who acts on his or her own choices. Sounds like a plan to me.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
7. A New Religion Has Emerged
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:37 PM
Dec 2017


It is not really new, but it is now more out in the open. The republicans have now openly declared that corporations and the wealthy are now to be worshiped. If you give me most of your money, we will make your life better. Believe in us and all your worries will be gone. Sounds good to me.

The problem with this, as with all religions, that there is No proof.

MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
8. And like most churches that follow the Prosperity Ministry
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:40 PM
Dec 2017

doctrine, the pastor drives a current model Mercedes, while the parishioners drive 10-year-old Saturns.

It seems to be working as designed, I guess.

The Trump University Model.

MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
2. "The Influence of the Mystery Religions on Christianity"
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:00 PM
Dec 2017

This essay, by Martin Luther King, Jr., is a very interesting look into the influence the Greek and Roman mystery religions had on the early Christian church. I had not been aware of this work from Dr. King until today, when I did some research on my original post. If such things interest you, it's well worth a read, and also gives some insight into MLK. You can read it in full at the link below:

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/influence-mystery-religions-christianity

MineralMan

(146,327 posts)
4. If you read the essay above, you might be interested in an earlier one
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 04:11 PM
Dec 2017

by Dr. King. "A Study of Mithraism" is a look at a religion that has many, many similarities to Christianity, but that predates it. The essay is quite interesting.

We remember MLK as a champion of civil rights, but he was also a scholar.

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/study-mithraism

muriel_volestrangler

(101,360 posts)
9. This was the original meaning - secret rites that you had to be initiated into
Sun Dec 3, 2017, 06:05 PM
Dec 2017

A mystery is something "normal people" don't know about or understand, but the "right people" do. It derives from a Greek root meaning "closed" - eyes or mouth.

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