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Christians of all denominations in the United States are surprised that their religion is not the dominant religion on our local planet. When told that 2/3 of the global human population doesn't believe as they do, they question the factual nature of that statement. Suddenly finding themselves to be a religious minority is unsettling, it seems.
What to do about this unnerving bit of information is a major dilemma. Mosques and Islamic centers are popping up these days throughout the nation. Many religious leaders express shock when their objections to a local mosque don't end up preventing it from being built. They consider it persecution of Christians, in many cases. How, they wonder, could there be a mosque in Nashville, after all? Don't tell them there are three in that city. No sense causing alarm.
And then there were "Nones." The growing ranks of people who don't affiliate with any religion at all are even more puzzling to Christian leaders. As small churches see their congregations grow old and shrink, young people are not replacing them in the pews as they used to. Many churches have been forced to close their doors through lack of enough members to contribute adequate funds to keep them open. More and more people are having "None" of organized religion. They're on a different path, it seems. Nobody seems to know where that path leads, though. 'Tis a puzzlement.
Christianity is still one of the major religions of the world, but no longer rules that world. It used to, of course, due to colonialism and empire building, but that's no longer feasible. Islam, Christianity's closest competitor, has made huge inroads in many places that used to be territories and colonies of imperialist western nations. The world's most populous nation, China, is officially and almost entirely religion-free, with only sputtering groups holding any religious beliefs at all.
All of this comes as an alarming surprise to many American Christians. How were we to know? What happened? Why weren't we paying attention? Are they coming for us? Those are some of the questions being raised. Turning to newly-elected Donald Trump, they pray for a new rise in the power of Christianity. The Donald will save them, they believe, by turning away non-Christians, especially those Muslims. So they believe. So they continue to believe. Beliefs are hard to replace.
Meanwhile, the "Nones" are simply shrugging as they drive past shuttered churches in their electric cars and on their bicycles. It's all an irrelevancy to them. There's surviving to do.
Girard442
(6,075 posts)I don't go to any of them that have any religious connections. Not one.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)My wife and I went to a lutefisk supper at a nearby Lutheran Church. She has Norwegian heritage and I'm Norwegian by marriage. I had to learn to eat lutefisk to keep the peace in her family. We also attend funerals. Too many funerals. Lots of "sure and certain" hope expressed at those.
I don't care who sponsors an event, really. If there's food there, or other nifty stuff, I don't mind. I just ignore the religious side of it all.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)I had to look that one up, MineralMan. It sounds dreadful! This is from Wikipedia:
When this treatment is finished, the fish (saturated with lye) is caustic, with a pH of 1112. To make the fish edible, a final treatment of yet another four to six days of soaking in cold water (also changed daily) is needed. Eventually, the lutefisk is ready to be cooked.
In Finland, the traditional reagent used is birch ash. It contains high amounts of potassium carbonate and bicarbonate, giving the fish a more mellow treatment than wood lye. It is important not to marinate the fish too long in the lye because saponification of the fish fats may occur.
The texture sounds gross, too. Glad to hear there's peace in your family, though!
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)With enough butter, it fairly slides down the throat with little effort. I learned that a small piece of lutefisk, covered in melted butter, is soon gone from my plate, so I can turn to the peeled, boiled potatoes, meatballs in white sauce, and lefse to overcome the lingering taste and aroma. That qualifies as "eating lutefisk." In Norwegian cuisine, flour is a seasoning, so one need not be concerned about anything spicy finding its way onto the plate.
Incidentally, lutefisk is almost never eaten in Norway. It was emergency survival food, consumed in the depths of winter in the old days. How it became a traditional "delicacy" among Norwegian immigrants and their offspring is an unsolved mystery.
I'm not beyond making sacrifices to maintain my place in the family. Nope.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)I've never had the pleasure myself, but I have seen it compared to haggis as a regional specialty of revulsion. I have tried haggis, and it's not so bad if you don't know what's in it.
The Pennsylvania Dutch may have Minnesota Norwegians beat, however, with scrapple. It's the parts of the pig previously thought to be inedible, but what the poorest could afford. One miserable reveler pulled out a long string from the pot and asked what it was. "The snout", he was informed, "we can't always chop it up properly.""
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Being of Scottish extraction, I am familiar with haggis, too. I'm not put off by offal, and can actually enjoy a well-prepared haggis.
Fortunately, I've been spared the pleasures of scrapple. I will certainly try it if some is put on the plate in front of me, but I'm not that interested in seeking it out.
Norwegians also enjoy head cheese. I've even participated in making a batch of that. Also composed of various animal parts normally discarded, its jellied texture and flavor is something I can tolerate pretty well. A thick slice of homemade head cheese with a smear of brown mustard on dark rye bread is not to be scoffed at.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)when she came back with it she nearly threw it down on the table, anxious to get it out of her hands. There is at least one Scottish enclave in New Jersey that has haggis makers-- it's not bad there, and a little more to the American taste.
It turns out that amongst the Scots, they talk about haggis a lot, joke about it a lot, and make tons of the stuff for the holidays, but nobody actually eats it.
It's Scottish fruitcake.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I'm an adventurous eater, so I've sampled a lot of ethnic "delicacies" during my life. A lot of those traditional foods had their origins in times of poverty. Haggis, for example, was designed to use up the parts of an animal people didn't care for, because wasting edible food was unthinkable in hard times. Same thing for lutefisk, which could survive any weather conditions and could be eaten in the dead of winter when no other food was available.
That it's often only eaten by emigrants from the old homeland, but almost never by those who are still there, is telling. It's a nostalgic reminder of survival in hard times. That seems to be a standard theme for such foods.
As a curiosity seeker, I will devour whatever is put in front of me, pretty much, as long as someone else is also eating it. I may not find it delectable, but I'll try it, if it's edible.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I'd rather give my satirical and editorial writing away. Besides, when I post on the Internet, I don't have to deal with pesky editors.
I get paid to write website content. I write only entire websites, except for established clients. That works for me, so I work for them. They pay me.
msongs
(67,413 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)What will they do. What WILL they do?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)The Catholics thought they were a universal church even when they were confined to one of the most backward parts of Eurasia.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Here in the Twin Cities of Minnesota, parishes are consolidating and some churches are shutting down and the property is going on the market. Worse, it's getting harder and harder to find priests to serve. Not enough young men are "hearing the call." I went to a funeral about a year ago in a local church here. The priest spoke with an accent that sounded to me like a Michoacan accent. Priests from other countries are being imported into the United States to help fill the gap. Father Monahan, it seems, is no longer available.
Frankly, I don't think that's reversible.
ChazInAz
(2,569 posts)Every time I espy a vacant church, I see a potential theater.
They usually have the beginning of a stage, lots of seating, plenty of overhead space for a lighting grid, a sound system (Often rudimentary.) and good acoustics. Huge basements are normal and really useful.
I still fondly recall working on a very "Adult" production of The Bacchae in such a venue. It seemed appropriate.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)The open sanctuary also makes a good gallery space or restaurant. I've seen a couple of them converted into homes, with an open layout and loft spaces. On the downside, they can be tough to heat and cool.
They tend to sell for much less than similar structures with t h e same space, too.
DBoon
(22,366 posts)when they end up living in a country that is essentially non Christian when raised in an exclusively Christian internment
Say someone from a small town that ends up in China for an extended period
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Back in the Presbyterian church I attended as a child and through high school, we'd have some missionary show up two or three times a year and regale us with stories, accompanied by a slide show. This was long before there were video cameras that could be used in remote places. The goal, of course, was to generate donations for their worthy works of global evangelism.
Most of those missionaries were decidedly odd sorts. Occasionally, they'd show up with their wives and children, too. Also odd ducks, in most cases. Later in my life, I met a young woman who had been one of those missionary children in earlier years. She was a very nice person, but quite socially inept. We became friends, and she told me stories of her childhood in some poverty-stricken corner of East Africa. In exchange, I helped her learn how to relate better to Americans of her age. A romantic relationship ensued, but didn't thrive. I haven't heard from her in a couple of decades.
Runningdawg
(4,517 posts)She wanted to know if I still went to those "evil" places - Temples, Mosques, ect. I told her yes, then asked her if she had ever been to any religious service other than Christian - Her reply "Oh yes, Baptist, Catholic, even Episcopalian. But I asked for forgiveness and won't do that again".
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)As a young person, I attended a Presbyterian church, which was located right across the street from a Roman Catholic Church. It wasn't until I was in high school that I ever ventured into that Catholic church, which still used the Latin liturgy. Such visits were frowned upon by my church, of course, but the Catholic kids were actually forbidden from entering our Presbyterian church by their priest.
Ecumenicism was not to appear until I was an adult, and by then I no longer cared.
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)It's either their god, or no god. They're completely oblivious to all those thousands of alternative deities.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)fable.