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Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:06 AM Jan 2018

Who said this?

My money's on Copernicus. I'm sure it was an astronomer.


"When confronted with facts or church teachings, I go with the facts."


That's the quote as I remember it. It's probably worded differently. Google doesn't deliver.
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Who said this? (Original Post) Cartoonist Jan 2018 OP
Could be Galileo, who also got into a little trouble with the church. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #1
Or maybe Giordano Bruno? longship Jan 2018 #2
Is this it?... NeoGreen Jan 2018 #3
I don't think so Cartoonist Jan 2018 #4
Ok, I will see if I can... NeoGreen Jan 2018 #5
Dead ends Cartoonist Jan 2018 #6
According to Google, you did, in this thread. MineralMan Jan 2018 #7
I tried it just before posting the OP Cartoonist Jan 2018 #8
Take the credit. MineralMan Jan 2018 #9
Not surprised Cartoonist Jan 2018 #10

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. Or maybe Giordano Bruno?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 04:13 AM
Jan 2018

The trouble with these quotations is that they often fail in translation.

I confess that I am drawing a blank here. Just a suggestion.

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
3. Is this it?...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:26 AM
Jan 2018

...

The Church says that the Earth is flat, but I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow of the earth on the moon and I have more faith in the Shadow than in the Church.




https://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2015/02/21/misquote-of-the-moment-magellan-didnt-say-it-but-its-still-brilliant-shadow-on-the-moon/

Misquote of the moment: Magellan didn’t say it, but it’s still brilliant, “shadow on the Moon”

This quotation is often found on the internet attributed to Magellan, but never with a source, and no English occurrence prior to its use by Robert Green Ingersoll in his essay “Individuality” (1873) has been located. Thus, it it most likely spurious. In that essay Ingersoll states:

It is a blessed thing that in every age some one has had individuality enough and courage enough to stand by his own convictions, — some one who had the grandeur to say his say. I believe it was Magellan who said, “The church says the earth is flat; but I have seen its shadow on the moon, and I have more confidence even in a shadow than in the church.” On the prow of his ship were disobedience, defiance, scorn, and success.


Where did Ingersoll get that thought? Wouldn’t he claim it as his own, had he invented it?

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
4. I don't think so
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:34 AM
Jan 2018

I'm sure the quote came about concerning how astronomical data only made sense when applying it to a sun centric system.

I heard that Magellan quote just recently, only not from him. Being old means I can't even place recent memories.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
6. Dead ends
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jan 2018

I've tried googling quotes by Coernicus, Galileo, and Kepler.

In the past few years I have read some historical fiction as well as non-fiction about scientists. The quote may be poetic license.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
8. I tried it just before posting the OP
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:00 PM
Jan 2018

Obviously I have reworded it so completely that Google can't find the real quote. If no one can find the original in 24 hours, then I will claim credit for saying it.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
9. Take the credit.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:01 PM
Jan 2018

There are a number of hits for "I go with the facts" but none of them have any religious content.

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