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trotsky

(49,533 posts)
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:37 PM Feb 2018

People who think about leaving religion but don't are more likely to feel depressed and hopeless

http://www.psypost.org/2018/02/people-think-leaving-religion-dont-likely-feel-depressed-hopeless-50712

...(Professor Matthew) May examined data from the the Portraits of American Life Study, a nationally representative longitudinal study of American adults. Of particular interest, the survey asked participants about their religious affiliation. It also asked if they had “seriously considered dropping out of religion altogether.”

He found that participants who had considered dropping out of their religion but had not changed their religious affiliation were more likely to report feeling depressed, worthless, and hopeless — compared to do participants who never considered dropping out of religion altogether, participants who were never affiliated, and participants who actually left.

“Religious involvement is not uniformly positive for everyone,” May explained to PsyPost. “People who never consider dropping out of religion report the fewest depressive symptoms, but people who consider dropping out of religion report fewer depressive symptoms when they leave than when they stay.”
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People who think about leaving religion but don't are more likely to feel depressed and hopeless (Original Post) trotsky Feb 2018 OP
This makes sense. Mariana Feb 2018 #1
Internal conflict often leads to depression. MineralMan Feb 2018 #2
Interesting segment here: guillaumeb Feb 2018 #3
I'll let you take whatever consolation you can from this. trotsky Feb 2018 #4
Do you disagree with the findings? guillaumeb Feb 2018 #5
What I disagree with is your personal opinion, which is NOT supported by this study. trotsky Feb 2018 #7
Incorrect again. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #13
I am sorry you are having trouble understanding how what you said isn't what the study said. trotsky Feb 2018 #16
I understand your need to find negatives about religion. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #17
This has nothing to do with me. trotsky Feb 2018 #18
Of course not. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #19
You keep being a great example of a Christian, gil. trotsky Feb 2018 #20
I cannot express how much I value your opinion. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #21
So much love. trotsky Feb 2018 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #37
Thanx for validating!😇 sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #38
Thanks for confirming that gil is everything you think a good Christian should be. trotsky Feb 2018 #40
0y veh, Cherry Kugel! sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #41
lol marylandblue Feb 2018 #42
Have a nice day! n/t trotsky Feb 2018 #44
It's been real! 😊 sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #47
Swap religion for "support for Trump," in that sentence, then find the logic that says Doodley Feb 2018 #28
We need nonesuch validation of which you speak. sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #30
Well, that's not really conclusion you can draw from the data. Mariana Feb 2018 #6
The author made the point. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #10
The author didn't make that point. Mariana Feb 2018 #11
Yes, he actually did, as a reading would reveal. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #12
Yes, Gil, I know what it says. Mariana Feb 2018 #14
Okay. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #15
Guillaume, 😍. You 'know'... sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #29
Why would you post that? Mariana Feb 2018 #31
Why would you assume that? guillaumeb Feb 2018 #33
Unawares of a secret society subtext! 🕵 sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #35
Why do you think I assumed anything at all? Mariana Feb 2018 #39
Oy. Was labeled as 'folksy'. So then I play the part. 😤 sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #36
Amazing how different people read different things. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #34
Where does the data say edhopper Feb 2018 #8
Not what I actually addressed. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #9
Exactly what you said edhopper Feb 2018 #23
You did. Bradical79 Feb 2018 #46
... Lordquinton Feb 2018 #24
You're really bad at correlation/causation. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #25
It proves that when there are significant doubts about that religion a person is unhappy. Doodley Feb 2018 #27
"Ignorance is bliss" comes to mind -nt Bradical79 Feb 2018 #45
Go through a life of bliss and then realize you've been duped and aren't going to heaven. Doodley Feb 2018 #26
For some reason this came to mind: Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #32
Evidence of your opinion of theists? guillaumeb Feb 2018 #43

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. Interesting segment here:
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:42 PM
Feb 2018
People who never consider dropping out of religion report the fewest depressive symptoms, but people who consider dropping out of religion report fewer depressive symptoms when they leave than when they stay.”


Proving that religion has a positive benefit for the vast majority who are theists.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. Do you disagree with the findings?
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:57 PM
Feb 2018

If not, can you admit the validity of this portion of the findings?

If not, explain why not if you wish.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. What I disagree with is your personal opinion, which is NOT supported by this study.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 06:22 PM
Feb 2018

Namely, "Proving that religion has a positive benefit for the vast majority who are theists."

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
13. Incorrect again.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 12:17 PM
Feb 2018

From the article, the one you posted:

People who never consider dropping out of religion report the fewest depressive symptoms, but people who consider dropping out of religion report fewer depressive symptoms when they leave than when they stay.”


Unless you consider less depression to be a negative thing, religion provides a benefit.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
16. I am sorry you are having trouble understanding how what you said isn't what the study said.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 12:37 PM
Feb 2018

This:

People who never consider dropping out of religion report the fewest depressive symptoms, but people who consider dropping out of religion report fewer depressive symptoms when they leave than when they stay.”


Is not saying this:

Proving that religion has a positive benefit for the vast majority who are theists.


First and foremost, this study doesn't "prove" that at all. Single studies don't generally PROVE anything. So you are 100% wrong right off the bat. Not a great start - the very first word of your sentence is wrong. LOL

Secondly, "report(ing) the fewest depressive symptoms" does not automatically correlate to having "a positive benefit." There are MANY other factors that must be considered to make a blanket statement about religion having a positive benefit.

I fully expect you to ignore both of these obvious points and instead slap on your blinders, and pretend you made some kind of point. I certainly can't stop you. All I can do is point out the facts that contradict your claim, and you end up humiliating yourself for me.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
17. I understand your need to find negatives about religion.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 12:40 PM
Feb 2018

And the apparent need to dismiss anything positive. It is quite apparent, this position of yours, from your posts and comments here.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
18. This has nothing to do with me.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 12:54 PM
Feb 2018

It has to do with the false point you made.

Your attempt to change the subject rather than admit your error is expected though.

Response to trotsky (Reply #22)

sprinkleeninow

(20,260 posts)
41. 0y veh, Cherry Kugel!
Fri Feb 9, 2018, 10:25 PM
Feb 2018

You wrote: "So much love. What a great Christian."

Up-post you wrote: "I know you need the validation."

Sooo I go, "Thanx for validating!"

You put it out there that another poster was "a great Christian" and exemplifies "so much love". After you wrote the same poster "needs validation". You validated by admitting the poster has mucho grande love and is, ta-da, a great Christian! DA!

Doodley

(9,129 posts)
28. Swap religion for "support for Trump," in that sentence, then find the logic that says
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:35 PM
Feb 2018

there is anything good about support for Trump.

sprinkleeninow

(20,260 posts)
30. We need nonesuch validation of which you speak.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 06:30 PM
Feb 2018

'None Such' makes nice mincemeat for a delicious pie. 😋

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
6. Well, that's not really conclusion you can draw from the data.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 06:17 PM
Feb 2018

But, even if it were so, it says nothing about whether the things those religious people believe are true.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. Yes, he actually did, as a reading would reveal.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 12:15 PM
Feb 2018

In fact, he actually said:

“Religious involvement is not uniformly positive for everyone,” May explained to PsyPost. “People who never consider dropping out of religion report the fewest depressive symptoms, but people who consider dropping out of religion report fewer depressive symptoms when they leave than when they stay.”


And that paragraph is from the actual article, and is presumably the author's words. So unless you have additional information to rebut this, I will disagree with your claim. As would, in all likelihood, the author.

sprinkleeninow

(20,260 posts)
29. Guillaume, 😍. You 'know'...
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:55 PM
Feb 2018

(Heheh.) 💓

Go ahead, y'all. Make your untoward comments.
Snarky do not become you.

Ima folksy kinda gal, doncha know.🤣

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
39. Why do you think I assumed anything at all?
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:45 AM
Feb 2018

Check this out, Gil: ?

That bit of punctuation is called a question mark. When you see it at the end of a sentence, the sentence is a question.

sprinkleeninow

(20,260 posts)
36. Oy. Was labeled as 'folksy'. So then I play the part. 😤
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:10 AM
Feb 2018

I vowed this place off and now Iost my head and partook. Again.

I have a thing for Guillaume. 😍

edhopper

(33,616 posts)
8. Where does the data say
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 07:34 PM
Feb 2018

the vast majority never consider leaving their religion?

I can't find the percentages. Where do you see this in the study?

edhopper

(33,616 posts)
23. Exactly what you said
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 01:38 PM
Feb 2018
People who never consider dropping out of religion report the fewest depressive symptoms,


And you claim that is the vast majority. Where did you see this data that that is most theists?
 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
46. You did.
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 10:38 AM
Feb 2018

Though maybe inadvertantly. You made a claim about the vast majority of theists, though those who consider leaving their religion, but don't, are still likely theists. It also doesn't say that those who drop out of their religion are automatically becoming atheists. So while us atheists do mostly fall into that group, we're hardly the only ones.

Doodley

(9,129 posts)
27. It proves that when there are significant doubts about that religion a person is unhappy.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:30 PM
Feb 2018

That doesn't say anything good at all about religion.

Doodley

(9,129 posts)
26. Go through a life of bliss and then realize you've been duped and aren't going to heaven.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:27 PM
Feb 2018

Pretty depressing!

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