Religion
Related: About this forumPeople who think about leaving religion but don't are more likely to feel depressed and hopeless
http://www.psypost.org/2018/02/people-think-leaving-religion-dont-likely-feel-depressed-hopeless-50712He found that participants who had considered dropping out of their religion but had not changed their religious affiliation were more likely to report feeling depressed, worthless, and hopeless compared to do participants who never considered dropping out of religion altogether, participants who were never affiliated, and participants who actually left.
Religious involvement is not uniformly positive for everyone, May explained to PsyPost. People who never consider dropping out of religion report the fewest depressive symptoms, but people who consider dropping out of religion report fewer depressive symptoms when they leave than when they stay.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)Living a lie would probably be very depressing for an honest and decent person.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)That's probably the reason for this.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Proving that religion has a positive benefit for the vast majority who are theists.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I know you need the validation.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)If not, can you admit the validity of this portion of the findings?
If not, explain why not if you wish.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Namely, "Proving that religion has a positive benefit for the vast majority who are theists."
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)From the article, the one you posted:
Unless you consider less depression to be a negative thing, religion provides a benefit.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)This:
Is not saying this:
First and foremost, this study doesn't "prove" that at all. Single studies don't generally PROVE anything. So you are 100% wrong right off the bat. Not a great start - the very first word of your sentence is wrong. LOL
Secondly, "report(ing) the fewest depressive symptoms" does not automatically correlate to having "a positive benefit." There are MANY other factors that must be considered to make a blanket statement about religion having a positive benefit.
I fully expect you to ignore both of these obvious points and instead slap on your blinders, and pretend you made some kind of point. I certainly can't stop you. All I can do is point out the facts that contradict your claim, and you end up humiliating yourself for me.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And the apparent need to dismiss anything positive. It is quite apparent, this position of yours, from your posts and comments here.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)It has to do with the false point you made.
Your attempt to change the subject rather than admit your error is expected though.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)How could I have imagined otherwise?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You're doing a wonderful job.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Words fail me, so I will not try.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)What a great Christian.
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sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)It explains a lot!
sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)You wrote: "So much love. What a great Christian."
Up-post you wrote: "I know you need the validation."
Sooo I go, "Thanx for validating!"
You put it out there that another poster was "a great Christian" and exemplifies "so much love". After you wrote the same poster "needs validation". You validated by admitting the poster has mucho grande love and is, ta-da, a great Christian! DA!
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)Doodley
(9,129 posts)there is anything good about support for Trump.
sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)'None Such' makes nice mincemeat for a delicious pie. 😋
Mariana
(14,861 posts)But, even if it were so, it says nothing about whether the things those religious people believe are true.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Your argument is with the author. I merely noted it.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)You're inferring something that isn't there.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)In fact, he actually said:
And that paragraph is from the actual article, and is presumably the author's words. So unless you have additional information to rebut this, I will disagree with your claim. As would, in all likelihood, the author.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)I also know what it doesn't say.
sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)(Heheh.) 💓
Go ahead, y'all. Make your untoward comments.
Snarky do not become you.
Ima folksy kinda gal, doncha know.🤣
Mariana
(14,861 posts)Has anyone made untoward comments toward you in this group?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Perhaps there is a sub-text here of which you are unaware.
sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)Ooh. (La-la!) 🤗
Mariana
(14,861 posts)Check this out, Gil: ?
That bit of punctuation is called a question mark. When you see it at the end of a sentence, the sentence is a question.
sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)I vowed this place off and now Iost my head and partook. Again.
I have a thing for Guillaume. 😍
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Positives must always be turned to negatives.
edhopper
(33,616 posts)the vast majority never consider leaving their religion?
I can't find the percentages. Where do you see this in the study?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)edhopper
(33,616 posts)People who never consider dropping out of religion report the fewest depressive symptoms,
And you claim that is the vast majority. Where did you see this data that that is most theists?
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Though maybe inadvertantly. You made a claim about the vast majority of theists, though those who consider leaving their religion, but don't, are still likely theists. It also doesn't say that those who drop out of their religion are automatically becoming atheists. So while us atheists do mostly fall into that group, we're hardly the only ones.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Doodley
(9,129 posts)That doesn't say anything good at all about religion.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Doodley
(9,129 posts)Pretty depressing!
Voltaire2
(13,174 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I understand. And many others do as well.