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Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:21 AM Apr 2018

Did Jesus sing and dance?

I got here in a roundabout way. I was looking for a song that asked the question, "what key did Jesus sing in?"

I couldn't find it but google provided me with other leads such as the OP title. Here is the first article it led me to:

Article by Tony Reinke
Senior writer, desiringGod.org

Jesus sings.

If Scripture didn’t say it, I wouldn’t either. But it’s true. In four places in Scripture we read that Jesus, the Son of God himself, raised his voice in worship.

Which is immediately confusing on one level. It's not that there's anything wrong with singing, just that I imagine our Savior much better suited as the silent recipient of adoration and worship.
. . .

We read that Jesus sang a hymn with the disciples at the conclusion of the Lord’s Supper. It was just before he set out to pray on the Mount of Olives. In their fellowship, Jesus lifted up his voice and sang a hymn, a customary finale to a Passover meal together. And that’s it. The biblical writers have little more to say about it.

Very likely this song was some portion of Psalm 114–118, and very likely it was sung antiphonally, meaning Jesus led the men by singing a line, and the disciples responded by singing a “Hallelujah.”
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Here's what kills me. Despite his first sentence, he goes on to say what scripture doesn't. He even tells what song he sang and how the apostles sang back-up.

This is the state of Biblical scholarship. Take a book of made up myths, and then make up your own BS to go along with it.

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Did Jesus sing and dance? (Original Post) Cartoonist Apr 2018 OP
And the disciples go... Girard442 Apr 2018 #1
Haha trotsky Apr 2018 #2
"Take a book of made up myths, and then make up your own BS to go along with it." trotsky Apr 2018 #3
I think he did. The Jewish people sing and dance.... marble falls Apr 2018 #4
But did Jay Gatsby sing and dance? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #5
Okay, don't pin me down on this, but a description in a history-book reminded me of rap-music. DetlefK Apr 2018 #6
You misread your own citation. Or not. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #7
I say it's very likely that you're full of Cartoonist Apr 2018 #8
You still apparently misread your own citation. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #9
A basis for what? Cartoonist Apr 2018 #10
You do not understand that the term "very likely" is a supposition? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #11
No, you're misreading me Cartoonist Apr 2018 #14
He has an opinion. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #15
If it is as you say sarisataka Apr 2018 #12
To me, sure Cartoonist Apr 2018 #13
Except.................. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #17
Frameless Cartoonist Apr 2018 #18
Wrong again. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #19
NO! He made it sound like a definitive statement of fact. Cartoonist Apr 2018 #20
You apparently misinterpreted it as as statement of fact. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #21
You keep repeating yourself Cartoonist Apr 2018 #22
OK. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #23
. Iggo Apr 2018 #16

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
3. "Take a book of made up myths, and then make up your own BS to go along with it."
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:32 AM
Apr 2018

And then get miffed if not everyone cheers.

marble falls

(57,097 posts)
4. I think he did. The Jewish people sing and dance....
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:34 AM
Apr 2018

But your question reminded me of this. I hope I don't offend you with this:

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
5. But did Jay Gatsby sing and dance?
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 09:39 AM
Apr 2018

I mean, he threw a lot of rockin' parties with, undoubtedly, incredible jazz music, but inquiring minds want to know if he ever sang along or cut a rug?

ETA: I know, I know. Literalists are going to tell me that I should refer to him as James Gatz, but I'm actually interested in the period of time during his life when he was Gatsby. I'm quite sure James Gatz danced (I mean, that's where he met Daisy). Oh, sorry. Spoilers.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
6. Okay, don't pin me down on this, but a description in a history-book reminded me of rap-music.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 10:10 AM
Apr 2018

I would have to look it up in detail, but IIRC the passage of the book was about ancient greek hymns. (Yeah, Ancient Greece is not Israel, but that's the best estimate I have.)

And IIRC they were described as melodic speaking (similar to a poem-recital, rather than using a singing-voice), combined with strong rhythms speaking to man's wild heart.

I don't remember what exactly the book said, but I do remember that the description of these hymns (spoken words + primal rhythm) reminded me very much of rap-music.
(The book was from the 1960s, so the author didn't know the concept of rap-music.)




And it makes sense to think that songs in Ancient Greece sounded like that, because their culture was dominated by theater, poems and speeches.
As for Israel, no idea.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. You misread your own citation. Or not.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 05:49 PM
Apr 2018

Your claim about Reinke is:

Here's what kills me. Despite his first sentence, he goes on to say what scripture doesn't. He even tells what song he sang and how the apostles sang back-up.


However, in the apparent excerpt that you provided, Reinke actually said:

Very likely this song was some portion of Psalm 114–118, and very likely it was sung antiphonally, meaning Jesus led the men by singing a line, and the disciples responded by singing a “Hallelujah.”
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I bolded the relevant part to make it even easier.

So Reinke actually said, speaking of Jesus, that it was very likely that He sang a particular song, but you transform this very likely to a definite claim by Reinke.

So, speaking about making up BS, what do you say about your argument?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
9. You still apparently misread your own citation.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 06:08 PM
Apr 2018

Nice dialogue on your part. Sorry that I had to point out the misreading, but it was quite obvious. I understand the apparent need of some to criticize theists, but it would help your case if you actually had a basis here.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
10. A basis for what?
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 06:12 PM
Apr 2018

I don't need no stinking basis to point out the idiocy of biblical scholars who make shit up. And "very likely" is saying he is making shit up.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
11. You do not understand that the term "very likely" is a supposition?
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 06:14 PM
Apr 2018

And you do not understand that a supposition is not a declarative statement?

If both apply, I understand your apparent misreading.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
15. He has an opinion.
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 07:35 PM
Apr 2018

An opinion that, based on the Bible, Jesus sang and danced.

He also has a supposition, that he admits is not provable, and he supposes that Jesus would have sung a particular Psalm.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
13. To me, sure
Fri Apr 13, 2018, 06:54 PM
Apr 2018

But the guy who wrote the article acts like he has the video of JC and the Sunshine Chorus.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
17. Except..................
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 12:52 PM
Apr 2018

he did not. But I understand the apparent need for this type of attitude. And the mis-framing that is needed to support it.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
18. Frameless
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 01:08 PM
Apr 2018

The guy made up shit. It makes no difference that he said "very likely."

It only would have been correct if he had said, "here is some bullshit I just made up."

You can get off that horse now because no one is buying your BS.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
19. Wrong again.
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 04:32 PM
Apr 2018

He expressed an opinion, and you made that expression of an opinion sound like a definitive statement of fact.

So when you repeat the line about BS, do you realize how that sounds? Your following of the 11th Commandment imperative is visible.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
20. NO! He made it sound like a definitive statement of fact.
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 05:22 PM
Apr 2018

He even mentioned by number the Psalm he supposedly said. I don't care what codifier he used, he still painted a picture of Jesus getting down with his homies.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
21. You apparently misinterpreted it as as statement of fact.
Sat Apr 14, 2018, 05:34 PM
Apr 2018

Here it is again as it appeared in your original post:

Very likely this song was some portion of Psalm 114–118, and very likely it was sung antiphonally, meaning Jesus led the men by singing a line, and the disciples responded by singing a “Hallelujah.”
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I see 2 possibilities:

1) You misread the use of the words very likely, confusing them for a definitive statement, or,
2) there is another agenda at play.
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