Jim Jones and the lemmings

I wish on the Dem side, people got creative to pin Cheeto on the Evangelicals.

Cheeto epitomizes everything that's wrong in a human being.

they sold their soul to the GOP for a Supreme Court Justice

"We're going to need a bigger bolt"

sold their collective souls with the hope of establishing dominion over the lives of rational, informed, caring people like me... and maybe you.

All sales final, results not garanteed, not endorsed by any heavenly body, management not responsible for any loss of or damage to souls.

Most are more interested in cozening up to the rich and powerful and feathering their own nests than doing any selfless good works for the betterment of those in need. As long as there are con men around like Trump, the religious right will ignore all his depravity and his thuggish behaviors as long as he keeps shoring up their political schemes.

Trump is as unchristian as can be. And the Evangelicals fell over their feet in order to co-opt him and pronounce him one of their's.

Who gives a fuck about Evangelicals any more? Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann... Those days are over.

The Evangelicals knew that their voice no longer counted in the GOP and so they willingly tied themselves to Trump for the sake of political power.

THEY WILLINGLY PERVERTED AND DISCARDED THEIR RELIGION FOR POWER.

And now they blame Trump for what THEY have done?

And NOW they’re worrying about the effects?

I have no sympathy for these people. They are foresworn, they’re rightly seen as liars and hypocrites, and the ONLY way out of their predicament is to live it down—which would require radically different behaviors than the ones they’ve been practicing for the last forty-plus years.

That discussed the increase of evangelical support for Trump. At the same time evangelicals are leaving the church in big numbers since Trump. Only 35% of evangelicals are under the age age of 50.

Trump is basically killing the evangelical movement.

If the rate of loss is increasing due to the leaders' sickening support of Trump, so much the better.

And I predict that such an attempt at an argument will be made here.

When we conflate "The White Southern Religious Right" as "evangelicals," we are dismissing a very large number of Democrats.

We can't afford to be dismissive and divisive.

We all know who they are.

Because it's become synonymous with right-wing hypocrite. Evangelical was a term to replace fundamentalist, which itself got negative connotations as meaning reactionary and ignorant.

So what should the new term be?

Puts them all in one box and ties it with a racist, sexist, money-grubbing bow.

For me, "evangelical" and "fundamentalist" have always denoted a particular outlook or fervor regarding Biblical interpretation, not so much "political."

For instance, Nixon's 'Southern Strategy' and the 'Reagan Democrat' were targeted at the racist underbelly in the South.They just happened to go to the only (white) church around.

That's me.

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Judas got 30 pieces of silver, but just once, for selling Christ.

Pat Robertson, Jim Bakker and their ilk get millions of dollars repeatedly for selling Christ.

Judas was a fool for doing a one-time sale.

about what the real problem is. They have spent decades rejecting what Jesus taught in order to embrace power and hateful "Paulism".

They are the damned and they should know that by now.

Sounds like they finally got around to looking in a mirror.

That they are meeting is not particularly interesting, really. Results matter. Talk is just talk.

They will issue a statement saying they are misunderstood and that it's the fault of the fake media.

In other words, they ARE Trump.

How many thousands of evangelical leaders are there? And we're supposed to be excited because a few dozen of them are getting together to have a chat about how their brand has been tarnished.

They're deluding themselves about the nature of the problem, anyway, and blaming everyone else but themselves. Look at this quote from Birdsall: "There’s a grotesque caricature of what it means to be an evangelical." See? It's not the evangelicals' fault people think of them as hateful hypocrites! It's just a grotesque caricature! That's the problem he thinks they need to solve.

No, Mr. Birdsall, it is not a caricature, grotesque or otherwise. The overwhelming majority of evangelicals who voted cast their ballots for Trump, and still enthusiastically support him today. Those are facts, Mr. Birdsall, and pretending they are not isn't going to accomplish a thing.

I doubt I'll be surprised when that nothing happens, either.

Just how many tautologies can you fit into a 5 word sentence?

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I was raised a Christian - Presbyterian. I called it "Christian Light." We could dance (the Baptists couldn't), we could sing (the Church of Christ people couldn't)- there were none of the (IMHO) ridiculous rules that some of my friends had to adhere to. We had a wonderful youth group, great activities, I was in the choir, and on and on (in a good way). It wasn't a huge part of my life (but for me) - just enough. However, the biggest plus for me was the minister. His name was David Curry. This man gave sermons (messages) that were amazing - absolutely NO Hell-fire and brimstone. The messages he gave had me captivated every Sunday. When I was a teenager, there were some tragic things going on in my family. During this time, I was caught smoking pot with my best friends (who were twins). Their mom was also good friends with my mom. She didn't want to tell my mom (because there were so many bad things going on) but she wanted me to go to an authority type person. She told me to meet with David Curry and tell him what happened. I didn't have a personal type relationship with him so I didn't know what he'd do or say. Well, he was just wonderful! I remember how comforting he was and the really good advice he gave me. This was my personal experience with Christianity. As things are now, I have no idea who these people are. They've completely lost their way. It disgusts me. I hope they can get back to the Christ-Consciousness that is supposed to be the very essence of Christianity.....

It is just so obvious.

that the word really has become meaningless. A person can believe or disbelieve just about anything and still be a Christian of one kind or another, and their behavior doesn't provide any clues, either. The only thing pretty much all of them have in common is that they are sure their version of Christianity is the right one, and everyone else is doing it wrong.

to the dead!