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Related: About this forumWhy equating secular and religious malfeasance sounds a lot like "guns don't kill people"
The NRA and its followers love the tired old, "guns don't kill people" line. It makes a factually true statement and fully counters the argument that guns fully animate themselves and kill people, as if anyone was arguing that to begin with. When you get right down to it, someone who is beat to death with a baseball bat is just as dead as someone filled full of holes with a gun. Yes, it's true guns don't kill people. They just make it a whole helluva lot more efficient. It's also a good example of how many people can buy into such strawman bullshit.
David Koresh was a very successful predator. He molested pretty much all the women and children in his congregation with the full consent of the parents and significant others. His congregation fully prepared for and executed an extended battle against the government in order to protect his ability to continue what he was doing.
The FLDS has institutionalized child rape over the span of many generations. They live in compounds and isolate themselves from the outside world where they are free to molest whoever they want without any fear of legal retribution. They also network with other compounds so they can move the molesters around when the local authorities get too suspicious.
Nobody even knows how long the RCC institutionalized the rape of children, but it's safe to assume it's been going on for a couple of thousand years. The moral dilemma due to changing attitudes on the subject has only driven it farther underground.
So now we have 'religion doesn't rape people', because the irreligious rape people too and after all, someone who is raped is no different whether the perp is a theist or non-theist. While factually true, this pretends to counter an argument that was never given. Yes, religion doesn't rape people, it just makes some far more efficient rapists.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Especially:
There is a difference between institutionalizing rape and having random and isolated instances of rape in an institution. Dos the US military institutionalize rape because so many service members rape and are raped?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The US military is certainly no exception.
Which is an excellent reason to recognize that type of organization is inherently corruptible in that regard.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Thanks for underlining the point and even providing an example of the differences. The RCC has an institutional problem when they occasionally move the window dressing around to fix.
The US military? They have issues, and I don't know the level they get to, but it doesn't involve children.
Voltaire2
(13,037 posts)Jesus Christ. The RCCs rape problem is neither.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Voltaire2
(13,037 posts)The same isolated and random acts, the same cover ups, the same transfers, denials, repeated over decades, frequently scores of victims for each perpetrator.
Youve pretty much hit a new low.
Eko
(7,299 posts)The fact that is is alphabetized ought to tell you something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Catholic_priests_convicted_of_child_sexual_abuse