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Related: About this forumCaution against mixing philosophy and scientific theories with religion
https://nation.com.pk/18-Apr-2018/caution-against-mixing-philosophy-and-scientific-theories-with-religionProf Fazli, who is the former Chairperson, Department of Philosophy Punjab University Lahore, was delivering a lecture on Quranic dimensions of Muslim thought organized by Brett Philosophical Society of Government College University, Lahore on Tuesday. He highlighted the fallacies which arose in Muslims thought by mixing it with foreign elements and Greek philosophy.
Prof. Abdul Hafeez Fazli explained in detail how to reconcile the Quranic concepts of cosmology and ontology with the modern scientific thoughts. He paid tribute to all those scholars and thinkers who have paid valuable work in the field.
The eminent theologian said the fact is this that sciences and philosophy are man-made knowledge having a worth of their own. On the contrary, Quranic knowledge is divine and eternal. There is no match between the two.
Well, I'm glad that's settled.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)A solution that is used by many people who recognize how to integrate the 2, but a solution that is rejected by those on both sides who insist on the simple solution of a single method.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Amazing.
FYI, you can't "integrate" two things that you claim are "non-overlapping."
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)If they are non-overlapping, then why do they clash so much?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Unless you think I'm too stupid to understand. Do you think that?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)is a non-answer.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)At times.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)ˈin(t)əˌɡrāt/
verb
verb: integrate; 3rd person present: integrates; past tense: integrated; past participle: integrated; gerund or present participle: integrating
1.
combine (one thing) with another so that they become a whole.
"transportation planning should be integrated with energy policy"
synonyms: combine, amalgamate, merge, unite, fuse, blend, mingle, coalesce, consolidate, meld, intermingle, mix; More
incorporate, unify, assimilate, homogenize;
desegregate
"reserve forces will be more closely integrated with the regular forces"
antonyms: separate
combine (two things) so that they become a whole.
"the problem of integrating the two approaches"
(of a thing) combine with another to form a whole.
"the stone will blend with the environment and integrate into the landscape"
: not overlapping: such as
a : not occupying the same area in part
The long, cylindrical body of a gar is covered with hard, diamond-shaped, nonoverlapping scales. Steve Pollick
b : entirely separate or distinct
nonoverlapping interests
two separate and nonoverlapping domains of human thought Marc Gellman
Unless you choose to explain further, I'm at a loss to come to any conclusion other than you contradicted yourself.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Are you changing your claim now?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)You still contradicted yourself.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)There are 50 state in this country, integrated into one country.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Culture, language, commerce, etc.
NON-OVERLAPPING MAGISTERIA.
Time for you to think more, gil.
"Science and religion are incompatible. Simply completely irreconcilably incompatible. And I can give you the bottom line message in case anyone needs to leave, and that is that; science and religion are incompatible in the same sense that the serious pursuit of knowledge about reality is incompatible with bullshit." -- PZ Myers
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And functioning inside of one overarching entity.
You lost, but now you have a better understanding. Consider that a win.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)We have red and blue states and they have very different views that create dysfunction. They want to force each other to do things. They even went to war over it at one time. Hardly a model for a truly harmonious whole.
Non overlapping magisteria means the two have nothing to do with each other. The Bible does not and cannot have any scientific information that was not generally available at the time. The Big Bang has no religious implications. That's non-overlapping. But we don't have those kinds of discussions in this group.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Overlapping in so many ways.
I'm sorry your "argument" ended in shambles as it always does, with you picking up the scraps and claiming everyone who had a hand in destroying it is just ignorant and part of a choir (without a mind of their own, I guess).
Try supporting an argument for once. Stop attacking people as being part of a "choir" when multiple individuals have a problem with that you say.
A famous sailor around these parts used to love to say "If a bunch of people are telling you that you have a tail, you should probably turn around and look."
Turn around and have a look, gil.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Actually.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)With no appeal possible.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)So yes, no appeal is possible.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)So I must assume you are.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Seeing as at every mention of NOMA you demonstrate conclusively you do not understand it.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)QQ moar.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I understand the rigid requirements of the 11th Commandment.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)that 11th commandment?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Such was my intent.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)And never to real questions, like the one I asked here
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Or was this merely your personal opinion?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)He must be both.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)And what words mean. And what is stifling discussion and what doesn't.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218279178
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)How could we possibly keep track of what is and what is not opinion were you not here to tell us? I award you 1/3 an internet for services rendered.
OneBro
(1,159 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)That's what it takes, apparently.
safeinOhio
(32,677 posts)5 Schools of Islamic theology
5.1 Kalām
5.1.1 Ash'ari
5.1.2 Maturidi
5.2 Traditionalist theology
5.3 Murji'ah
5.4 Qadariyyah
5.5 Mu'tazili
5.6 Jahmiyyah
5.7 Bāṭeniyyah
6 Later branches
6.1 African-American movements
6.2 Ahmadiyya movement
6.3 Gülen / Hizmet movement
6.4 Islamism
6.4.1 Muslim Brotherhood
6.4.2 Jamaat-e-Islami
6.5 Liberal Muslims
6.6 Mahdavia
6.7 Non-denominational Islam
6.7.1 Tolu-e-Islam
6.8 Quranism
6.9 Salafism and Wahhabism
6.9.1 Ahl-i Hadith
6.9.2 Salafi movement
6.9.2.1 Islamic Modernism
6.9.3 Wahhabism
7 Population of the branch
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Whichever one he happens to believe in.
safeinOhio
(32,677 posts)sectarian wars?
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Science was created with radically different premises than religion. If you mix religion and science, you run into logical contradictions in no time.
Cartoonist
(7,316 posts)Back in April, Samuel Wurzelbacher, aka Joe the Plumber, told Christian Broadcasting Networks David Brody that he knows Gods on my side in his fight against Obamas socialist and anti-American presidency. The GOP nominee for Ohios 9th congressional district, who is focusing his campaign on the supposed connection between gun control policies and the Holocaust, sat down with Brody for a second time today on the 700 Club and shared the story of his conversion to Christianity at a Frischs Big Boy.
Wurzelbacher explained how his pastor, who seems to believe that faith and science are incompatible, noted that while science textbooks have several new editions, the Bible has never been revised. Revision Seven. He said, now look at the Bible, what does it say? I said, Holy Bible. He said, see any revisions on it Joe? I said, no. He said, the reason why is because this is Gods word mans always looking for an answer, thats why its revised.
Good thing the pastor didnt show him a copy of the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible:
c-rational
(2,593 posts)or the Bible, etc. are man's words attempting to describe the indescribable,and therein the arguments begin. How do you even attempt to put in words (whatever language) that which is ineffable.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)if it existed and it wanted everyone to understand its rules, regulations, preferences, and desires, would be able to figure out a way to communicate said rules, regulations, preferences, and desires to everyone.
edhopper
(33,579 posts)to post this
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=280284
Now, it might be enlightening to look at the second reply of my post.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=280367
Interesting, no?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,857 posts)It is NOT tentative information. It is a way of viewing reality which takes into account changing understanding.
The Quran (and all other religious texts) are locked into a supposed "truth" that is never subject to revisiting, let alone revision.
Science works on postulates and examining reality. Religion assumes that its reality is unchanging.
The two exist in very different realities.
A side note. A couple of decades ago I read something by a young man who'd been raised Moslem, and he expressed a strong sadness that he couldn't communicate with his mother because she sincerely believed that everything of value had already been discovered, and therefore nothing new, be it in art or music or literature, could possibly matter.
A religion that believes that all of value is already established is locked in a death spiral. Which is why in the end science will prevail. Because science is willing to change its understanding as new truths are uncovered.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)What's it called again? I think it starts with a "B" but there are lots and lots of variations so I get confused as to which one is correct.
Science, on the other hand, is self-correcting as new knowledge is learned. Religions, by definition, cannot "learn."