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From the article:
This is where tawakkul (faith and trust in God) comes in.
Read more at:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mostlymuslim/2018/04/bright-side-dark-situation-hardship/#xzzu37U8C5Y7bSI2.99
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)your god is made of good and evil
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
That's what one can find in the Bible and, if one believes such things, explains those dark times as well as the good ones.
Or, one can always say, "Stuff happens," and keep moving forward.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Y
your god is made of good and evil
Thus my response.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Mariana
(14,857 posts)Are you bothered that it has other friends?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)As I generally indicate in the posts.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You make declarative statements about your creator's nature and function.
You *know* its ways are "mysterious," because you said so.
You do understand how foolish you make yourself look by directly contradicting yourself all the time, right?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Revealing.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)You go right on being the awesome Christian you are, gil.
And nothing will change.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Speaking of change and all.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I have absolutely no problem doing so.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Mariana
(14,857 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)That's how it works. No faith is required to deal with hardships in the present moments. One need only reflect on the past, when hardships weren't present, and look to the future, when current hardships will be in the past.
Of course, at some point, we will no longer have a future to look toward, but as long as we are alive, we have the present and the past.
Different people draw on different resources when situations seem dark. Some draw on religious faith. Others draw on their life experiences. Somehow, we usually manage to get through dark times. Perspective can be applied to any situation, since we all have histories on which to draw, or some other means of putting difficult times into perspective.
Religion works for some. Other things work for others.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)...and try to tell yourself all these kids are dying slow, horrible, painful deaths well before their times just so God can teach their parents' some kind of vacuous, fortune-cookie-league lesson in humility.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)saw their 3 year old daughter suffer and die from a particularly deadly type of kidney cancer. We tried to support them, but obviously could not fully understand their grief. We told an acquaintance of ours about the child and her parents. He said, and I quote, "What could a three-year-old have done to deserve that?" A devout Catholic, he assigned the cause of the disease to the victim of it. We did not misunderstand him or misread his statement. We called him on it at the time and he defended it, saying, "God would not do that to a child if there weren't a reason."
We never spoke to that man again. His delusion was informed by his faith.
Yet another reason to reject such faith.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)I once heard an interpretation that proposed to explain why God didn't step in to save Jephthah's daughter from being murdered by her father the way he saved Isaac from Abraham. God let Jephthah go through with killing his only child to punish Jephthah for making a reckless vow, and to teach him and the rest of the Israelites to think before they speak.
There is also the story of God sickening and killing David's son with Bathsheba, as punishment for David's sins. The fact that neither the child nor Bathsheba were guilty didn't really factor into the decision to strike down the child in order to teach the father a lesson about selfishness.
There are other stories, too. God has a history.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)He also killed 42 children in one sitting. The moral of those stories is dont screw around on your wife (unless its with another one of your wives or a prostitute), and dont make fun of Elishas bald head. Then again he could also do so for no good reason such as when he smoote Ezekiel's wife. Probably hadnt had is morning cup of coffee yet.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)He was really mad at David.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I guess being a dad/son changes you.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)So this:
...is not appreciated.
*I* do not find this idea comforting or helpful. The idea that a kind, loving entity would *intentionally* cause you pain and struggle solely to get closer to it, is repulsive to me.
If you meant to only post this for people who agree, perhaps it should have gone to the Interfaith group, or the Muslim group. But here, there are many people with different views and this religious opinion is not true for them.
Now go ahead and chide everyone who didn't fawn over this post, make references to your inane "11th Commandment" bullshit, do whatever it is you feel you need to do in order to show us how tolerant and wonderful religion is.
thucythucy
(8,052 posts)I find the whole "suffering is good for you it gives you wisdom" line of BS offensive and patronizing.
If it works for some people, and helps them through their own suffering, well, good for them. But inflicting it on others as some kind of divine truth just turns me off completely.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Of course this is not surprising to anyone here, since you insist on defining atheism for atheists.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Henceforth I have changed my denomination to unaffiliated apatheist.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)edhopper
(33,579 posts)to keep the millions of wretched people in their congregations servile for a few thousand years.
You suffer, and we don't do anything to change that, cause God's will and all.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)edhopper
(33,579 posts)is what you posted not just the writer's view?
But I would say the Church keeping the people in there place is not an original concept from me.
A few others through the centuries have noticed it.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And recommend what I find interesting.
What I identify as my own opinion is just that.
edhopper
(33,579 posts)I should have said "just the writer's view".
I will amend that.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)"Go take an airbourne copulation with a deep fried pastry"?