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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:39 PM Apr 2018

Why Me? Finding the Bright Side of a Dark Situation

From the article:

What if we always realized the importance of experiencing hardships and making mistakes, instead of gaining that insight only after some time has passed? What if we allow ourselves to go through a difficult period of our lives while keeping in mind that someday, we might be grateful that it happened?.....

This is where tawakkul (faith and trust in God) comes in.




Read more at:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mostlymuslim/2018/04/bright-side-dark-situation-hardship/#xzzu37U8C5Y7bSI2.99


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Why Me? Finding the Bright Side of a Dark Situation (Original Post) guillaumeb Apr 2018 OP
Your god is not what you think he/she is Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #1
Yes, and is recorded as saying it created both good and evil. MineralMan Apr 2018 #3
So you know the Creator? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #9
Do you have proof or belief?? Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #13
You made a declarative statement. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #16
I made no statement............I asked a question Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #17
You did in #1 guillaumeb Apr 2018 #22
Then why did you not reply to my first one when you had the chance?? Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #25
I did, at 2:04 CST. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #26
You frequently describe The Creator to us, so you must know it, Gil. Mariana Apr 2018 #14
I give my opinion. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #23
No, it's not just your opinion. trotsky Apr 2018 #35
Back to your regular insults again? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #37
If pointing out that you are making yourself look foolish is an insult, then so be it. trotsky Apr 2018 #39
Followed by another insult. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #41
Keep it up, and I'll keep pointing out your hypocrisy. trotsky Apr 2018 #42
Yes, we know your technique. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #44
We? You mean you and your groupies? nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #45
Ive always wanted to meet George Lucas Major Nikon Apr 2018 #19
We have lived in the past, we live today, and will live in the future. MineralMan Apr 2018 #2
True. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #10
Take a walk through a pediatric cancer ward... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #4
I'm sure they'll thank god later for the experience. n/t trotsky Apr 2018 #6
Indeed. A couple who are friends of my wife and I MineralMan Apr 2018 #7
There is Biblical support for that kind of rationalization. Mariana Apr 2018 #18
They were guilty of adultery. So god killed the baby. Major Nikon Apr 2018 #20
God killed the baby slowly and made it suffer. Mariana Apr 2018 #34
Kinda funny how he no longer has anger issues Major Nikon Apr 2018 #36
This writer speaks for no one but themselves. trotsky Apr 2018 #5
I agree. thucythucy Apr 2018 #8
If you do not, find your own way of dealing. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #11
So yeah you're OK with someone defining religion for others if you agree with the definition. trotsky Apr 2018 #12
I am fine with people defining religion for themselves. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #15
Unless they are an atheist Major Nikon Apr 2018 #21
The Trinitarian branch or the Unitarian branch? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #24
Major Nikonian branch Major Nikon Apr 2018 #27
And others, when it suits you. n/t trotsky Apr 2018 #28
A way for the Church edhopper Apr 2018 #29
Your view. Obviously not a universal one. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #30
Yes my opinion edhopper Apr 2018 #31
I post what I find interesting. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #32
True edhopper Apr 2018 #33
Is it wrong to say... uriel1972 Apr 2018 #38
What type of pastry? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #40
Donut... obviously uriel1972 Apr 2018 #43

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
3. Yes, and is recorded as saying it created both good and evil.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:57 PM
Apr 2018
Isaiah 45: 7 King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.


That's what one can find in the Bible and, if one believes such things, explains those dark times as well as the good ones.

Or, one can always say, "Stuff happens," and keep moving forward.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
22. You did in #1
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:38 PM
Apr 2018

Y

our god is not what you think he/she is

your god is made of good and evil


Thus my response.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
14. You frequently describe The Creator to us, so you must know it, Gil.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 05:25 PM
Apr 2018

Are you bothered that it has other friends?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
35. No, it's not just your opinion.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 02:37 PM
Apr 2018

You make declarative statements about your creator's nature and function.

You *know* its ways are "mysterious," because you said so.

You do understand how foolish you make yourself look by directly contradicting yourself all the time, right?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
39. If pointing out that you are making yourself look foolish is an insult, then so be it.
Fri Apr 20, 2018, 08:38 AM
Apr 2018

You go right on being the awesome Christian you are, gil.

And nothing will change.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
2. We have lived in the past, we live today, and will live in the future.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 01:54 PM
Apr 2018

That's how it works. No faith is required to deal with hardships in the present moments. One need only reflect on the past, when hardships weren't present, and look to the future, when current hardships will be in the past.

Of course, at some point, we will no longer have a future to look toward, but as long as we are alive, we have the present and the past.

Different people draw on different resources when situations seem dark. Some draw on religious faith. Others draw on their life experiences. Somehow, we usually manage to get through dark times. Perspective can be applied to any situation, since we all have histories on which to draw, or some other means of putting difficult times into perspective.

Religion works for some. Other things work for others.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
4. Take a walk through a pediatric cancer ward...
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:07 PM
Apr 2018

...and try to tell yourself all these kids are dying slow, horrible, painful deaths well before their times just so God can teach their parents' some kind of vacuous, fortune-cookie-league lesson in humility.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
7. Indeed. A couple who are friends of my wife and I
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:48 PM
Apr 2018

saw their 3 year old daughter suffer and die from a particularly deadly type of kidney cancer. We tried to support them, but obviously could not fully understand their grief. We told an acquaintance of ours about the child and her parents. He said, and I quote, "What could a three-year-old have done to deserve that?" A devout Catholic, he assigned the cause of the disease to the victim of it. We did not misunderstand him or misread his statement. We called him on it at the time and he defended it, saying, "God would not do that to a child if there weren't a reason."

We never spoke to that man again. His delusion was informed by his faith.

Yet another reason to reject such faith.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
18. There is Biblical support for that kind of rationalization.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 05:57 PM
Apr 2018

I once heard an interpretation that proposed to explain why God didn't step in to save Jephthah's daughter from being murdered by her father the way he saved Isaac from Abraham. God let Jephthah go through with killing his only child to punish Jephthah for making a reckless vow, and to teach him and the rest of the Israelites to think before they speak.

There is also the story of God sickening and killing David's son with Bathsheba, as punishment for David's sins. The fact that neither the child nor Bathsheba were guilty didn't really factor into the decision to strike down the child in order to teach the father a lesson about selfishness.

There are other stories, too. God has a history.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
20. They were guilty of adultery. So god killed the baby.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 07:22 PM
Apr 2018

He also killed 42 children in one sitting. The moral of those stories is don’t screw around on your wife (unless it’s with another one of your wives or a prostitute), and don’t make fun of Elisha’s bald head. Then again he could also do so for no good reason such as when he smoote Ezekiel's wife. Probably hadn’t had is morning cup of coffee yet.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
5. This writer speaks for no one but themselves.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:40 PM
Apr 2018

So this:

No matter what you are going through, inshaAllah (God-willing), you will come out stronger than before. You can make it through this trial. And perhaps Allah has given this hardship to you out of love, so you will call out to Him and gain closeness to Him.


...is not appreciated.

*I* do not find this idea comforting or helpful. The idea that a kind, loving entity would *intentionally* cause you pain and struggle solely to get closer to it, is repulsive to me.

If you meant to only post this for people who agree, perhaps it should have gone to the Interfaith group, or the Muslim group. But here, there are many people with different views and this religious opinion is not true for them.

Now go ahead and chide everyone who didn't fawn over this post, make references to your inane "11th Commandment" bullshit, do whatever it is you feel you need to do in order to show us how tolerant and wonderful religion is.

thucythucy

(8,052 posts)
8. I agree.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 02:54 PM
Apr 2018

I find the whole "suffering is good for you it gives you wisdom" line of BS offensive and patronizing.

If it works for some people, and helps them through their own suffering, well, good for them. But inflicting it on others as some kind of divine truth just turns me off completely.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
12. So yeah you're OK with someone defining religion for others if you agree with the definition.
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 03:26 PM
Apr 2018

Of course this is not surprising to anyone here, since you insist on defining atheism for atheists.

edhopper

(33,579 posts)
29. A way for the Church
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 08:42 AM
Apr 2018

to keep the millions of wretched people in their congregations servile for a few thousand years.

You suffer, and we don't do anything to change that, cause God's will and all.

edhopper

(33,579 posts)
31. Yes my opinion
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:39 PM
Apr 2018

is what you posted not just the writer's view?

But I would say the Church keeping the people in there place is not an original concept from me.

A few others through the centuries have noticed it.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
32. I post what I find interesting.
Thu Apr 19, 2018, 01:54 PM
Apr 2018

And recommend what I find interesting.

What I identify as my own opinion is just that.

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