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And, by extension, so does Sister Mary Margaret, your old parochial school teacher. If you sin, it is said, you will have to pay for that sin, unless, of course, you believe in Jesus and repent of the same. Sister Mary Margaret, though, is still going to crack your knuckles with her ruler, repentance and Jesus aside.
Some people are puzzled about all this. They see people like Donald Trump, out there breaking all of the commandments, and with impunity. He doesn't get punished. Neither do the oligarchs. For their sins, they become wealthy and powerful. So, what's up with that?
There's a misunderstanding, it seems. A catch or something. Apparently, punishment doesn't come in meat space. It's for after that, when you are dead and buried, it appears. And, if you're a Christian, even a putative one, apparently, all that bad stuff is forgotten and you get to be a heavenly oligarch or villain.
It's a weird deal. Let's say you're a young black man and you want to meet a friend in Starbucks who said he'd buy you a soy latte. So, you go in, and sit down to wait for him, but you have to potty, so you ask the nice lady at the counter for the code to the locks on the restroom, just like you saw that white guy do. Then, suddenly, cops are there, handcuffing you and taking you to jail. You get punished, and you didn't do a damned thing wrong. What's up with that nonsense? You get punished, but the guy in the White House gets richer and more powerful.
There's no sense in trying to figure it out, though. The thing is that none of that stuff is true in the first place. Everyone just dies and that's that. The rest is all to keep us ordinary folks walking the line. That's all.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Its a way to keep the masses in check through the threat of divine retribution or reward for earthly behavior, all of which is conveniently unverifiable.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)What's under the pastry depends on how you behaved...
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)No.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Edited to add: my last post in this sub-thread.
Pendrench
(1,358 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 21, 2018, 12:18 PM - Edit history (1)
My experiences may be atypical, but most of the nuns (IHM), brothers (Xavierian) and priests (primarily Diocesan, but currently we have a Franciscan and a Resurrectionist at our church) who taught/served at the schools and churches where Ive attended presented the concepts of Heaven and Hell in the following manner:
In short, there is nothing that I can do to earn Heaven the reason being is that Heaven is a gift given to all by God (regardless of belief or non-belief).
So, I can't "game the system" and do good deeds to try to get into Heaven (and/or avoid Hell), because those good deeds should be the natural outcome of loving my fellow brothers and sisters. In other words, its not my good deeds that might get me (and all others) into Heaven, but the love I have for my brothers and sisters which is expressed in tangible acts of kindness and service towards them.
Of course, I often fall short in this regard.
On the flip side, I was also taught over the years that there is no sin so great that cannot be forgiven if one is truly sorry and (of course) the key here is that I must be truly sorry I cant just say Im sorry to try to avoid Hell (and/or get into Heaven) it has to be sincere and heartfelt.
Again, this is just my personal experience, so I consider myself lucky that the fear of Hell and the threat of losing Heaven was not something that was used by the religious faculty and clergy that I encountered growing up (or that is preached at the church that I attend) since I am well aware that this does happen all too frequently as a means of coercion and control.
Thank you again for posting this topic for discussion.
Wishing you well and peace.
Tim