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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Thu May 24, 2012, 07:26 PM May 2012

Garry Wills: Church Bullying Nuns

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/apr/24/bullying-nuns/

The Vatican has issued a harsh statement claiming that American nuns do not follow their bishops’ thinking. That statement is profoundly true. Thank God, they don’t. Nuns have always had a different set of priorities from that of bishops. The bishops are interested in power. The nuns are interested in the powerless. Nuns have preserved Gospel values while bishops have been perverting them. The priests drive their own new cars, while nuns ride the bus (always in pairs). The priests specialize in arrogance, the nuns in humility.

Now the Vatican says that nuns are too interested in “the social Gospel” (which is the Gospel), when they should be more interested in Gospel teachings about abortion and contraception (which do not exist). Nuns were quick to respond to the AIDS crisis, and to the spiritual needs of gay people—which earned them an earlier rebuke from Rome. They were active in the civil rights movement. They ran soup kitchens.

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Last week, following an assessment by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican stripped the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, representing most American nuns, of its powers of self-government, maintaining that its members have made statements that “disagree with or challenge the bishops, who are the church’s authentic teachers of faith and morals.” Archbishop Peter Sartain of Seattle has taken control of the Conference, writing new laws for it, supplanting its leadership, and banning “political” activity (which is what Rome calls social work). Women are not capable, in the Vatican’s mind, of governing others or even themselves. Is it any wonder so many nuns have left the orders or avoided joining them? Who wants to be bullied?

It is typical of the pope’s sense of priorities that, at the very time when he is quashing an independent spirit in the church’s women, he is negotiating a welcome back to priests who left the church in protest at the reforms of the Second Vatican Council. These men, with their own dissident bishop, Marcel Lefebvre, formed the Society of Saint Pius X—the Pius whose Secretariat of State had a monsignor (Umberto Benigni) who promoted the Protocols of the Elder of Zion. Pope Benedict has already lifted the excommunication of four bishops in the Society of Saint Pius X, including that of Richard Williamson, who is a holocaust denier. Now a return of the whole body is being negotiated.
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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
1. These men need to get a clue.
Thu May 24, 2012, 07:35 PM
May 2012

They are alienating women at a pace that is alarming.

The nuns will be having their annual assembly in August. It should be fascinating.

Good article, thanks for posting.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. And what will they do to strike fear into the hearts of those men?
Thu May 24, 2012, 08:33 PM
May 2012

My guess is, they'll say a few words of encouragement to each other, maybe even make a little noise, and then quietly go back to doing their work as nuns in service to those same men and their church.

Wow, that'll show 'em!

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
2. I walked away from this church about 40 years ago. Reading
Thu May 24, 2012, 07:45 PM
May 2012

about this treatment of nuns makes me glad I did.

The orders should pull away from Rome and do their own thing.(I have no idea how this could be done,but know it's possible)

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
3. i wonder what secrets some nuns take to their graves
Thu May 24, 2012, 07:45 PM
May 2012

i`m going out on a limb here but i think most nuns stay at one church for years. i know the sisters who live by me have been there for at least 40 yrs. maybe someone has a better idea an average of how long a nun will stay at one church

 

lookingfortruth

(263 posts)
6. Think about Lucia of Fatima fame. Woman spoke to the virgin Mary and than forced into a nunnery
Thu May 24, 2012, 07:55 PM
May 2012

and also voiced to take a strange vow of silence.


You place all these saints on pedestals YET a "Living Saint" is treated like a freakin captive from the middle ages.

 

lookingfortruth

(263 posts)
4. I grew up in that faith and was applaud by the attitude. I personally think it is guilt on the
Thu May 24, 2012, 07:52 PM
May 2012

male side. Or perhaps fear. Remember it was women who stood by Jesus at the cross and woman found he had risen before men Not to mention IF it was not for women in the early days of the church Christianity would have basically become a lost religion.


It was women who taught and spread the word more than men.


I don't believe in organize religion anymore. I believe there is a superior power but organize religion is the worse thing that happened to this planet. I want people to have whatever religion that makes them feel comfortable. If your religion requires you to go outside naked on June 21st and dance to disco duck as the sun rise than I will defend your right to do it. WHAT I cannot stand or tolerate is the fact that people are dying for religion because their god is better or worse (depending on the view) than someone else's god.

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
8. It was to be expected
Thu May 24, 2012, 08:59 PM
May 2012

They are just following the teachings of Paul...women are to have no authority in the church. This is the man made version of "Christianity"...power and control are all important...the bastards in red along with their Nazi leader have allied themselves with the religious fanatics of this country and will try to push for a theocracy.

The Europeans have already seen how evil the Catholic church really is...now it's the turn of the United States!

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