Religion
Related: About this forumVoices from a film on faith: 'Religion and women are like a game of seesaw'
https://scroll.in/reel/883559/voices-from-a-film-on-faith-religion-and-women-are-like-a-game-of-seesaw...Her experience in the non-profit sector had also showed her that when it comes to womens rights, no real change is possible without examining the role of religion in society. We always talk about changing the mindset of people and I think we definitely cannot ignore the dynamics of structures like religion and caste when we are trying to do that, she said. Religion is something which in India you just cant escape.
The documentary features a range of voices a grassroots activist in Uttar Pradesh, a professor in Rajasthan, a Christian nun in Kerala, scholars in Jammu and Kashmir, a housewife in Pune belonging to all major Indian religions, including Hinduism, Islam, Sikkhism, Christianity, Buddhism, Jainism and Zoroastrianism. Two lessons emerge. One is that no religion, no matter how liberal its antecedents, is free from discrimination. The second is that while the lived experience of religion may differ from one faith, region, and social class to another, the core that women are kept out of positions of power stays the same.
...One of the interviewees, a housewife from Maharashtra, best captures this tenuous relationship: Religion and women are like a game of seesaw. One goes up, the other goes down when religion wins, women lose.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)It's not that atheists can't accept the good, it's that theists have to defend the bad. Like original sin, the whole thing is based on hating women, until that is removed, then it can't be seen as a good thing.
Even with the Jesus myth to turn it around that still cements it as a core part of the religion. God forgives us for what eve did which was bring knowledge.
I dunno where to go with this, but my main point is that there are harmful parts of religion that are so ingrained that even liberal believers feel the urge to.defend them.
Pendrench
(1,358 posts)religion can be (and are) bad.
In fact, I will go one step further, and say that not only do we need to accept this fact, but we also must work to the best of our abilities to enact positive changes.
It may not be easy - and it may not be immediately effective - but in my opinion, we need to try.
Wishing you well and peace.
Tim
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And the millions of theistic women would disagree with you as well.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I guess you, as a man, know better.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)about their own experiences and observations that's important or relevant in any way?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)then nothing. Their views are "simplistic" to him.
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)How patriarchal of you...
Mariana
(14,861 posts)from the religious men in their lives. Isn't that interesting?
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)The patriarchal nature of most religions has been keeping women "in their place" for centuries. All one has to do is look at the largest Christian denomination of all. It has consigned women to a reproductive role all along, and is still solidly opposed to women having any place in its hierarchy.
Offensive.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Because your personal indignation is what's most important here.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)of the 200 women interviewed for this film.
Gil must not have read the piece before he spouted off. He seems to believe that only atheist women were interviewed, but in fact religious women's voices were not excluded at all:
"The documentary features a range of voices a grassroots activist in Uttar Pradesh, a professor in Rajasthan, a Christian nun in Kerala, scholars in Jammu and Kashmir, a housewife in Pune belonging to all major Indian religions, including Hinduism, Islam, Sikkhism, Christianity, Buddhism, Jainism and Zoroastrianism."
I don't notice atheism listed there, so it's possible that all of the women were religious.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)You always say you speak only for yourself, how can you speak for them?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)He'll probably just mumble something about the "choir" and his "11th commandment" and start a new thread telling atheists what it is they believe.