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MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 08:38 PM Aug 2018

God is not dead.

To die requires first that one exists. Deities that are figments of human imagination cannot die, since they never actually existed. The owners of those imaginations, however, die. Imagined deities are by definition imaginary.

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God is not dead. (Original Post) MineralMan Aug 2018 OP
Correct. WestMichRad Aug 2018 #1
Yup. MineralMan Aug 2018 #4
Neitszche said "God is dead", and he was an atheist marylandblue Aug 2018 #2
I'm just a DUer, so I can only present simple MineralMan Aug 2018 #3
Unless we find evidence of an Ubermensch marylandblue Aug 2018 #6
Heaven forfend. MineralMan Aug 2018 #12
Well, religion never worked that well, either. MineralMan Aug 2018 #5
Some evolutionary psychologists claim it did. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #11
It might have worked in terms edhopper Aug 2018 #13
I think it is more of a coincidence that organized religion developed along with MineralMan Aug 2018 #14
Hunter gatherer cultures all over the world have religion marylandblue Aug 2018 #15
The independent development of religion by virtually every culture MineralMan Aug 2018 #16
Seems pretty simple to me... qazplm135 Aug 2018 #17
The theories are about organized religion. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #18
Plenty of anthropological theories cover non-organized religion marylandblue Aug 2018 #19
Religion that is followed by more than a few people always seems to MineralMan Aug 2018 #20
Well, yes Ron Obvious Aug 2018 #7
Also, when Marvel needs them to die. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #8
Religion Comatose Sphagetti Aug 2018 #9
Now, there you go applying logic to the situation.. Permanut Aug 2018 #10
I'm not sure they ever were. Religion comes from the realm of time MineralMan Aug 2018 #21

WestMichRad

(1,335 posts)
1. Correct.
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 08:44 PM
Aug 2018

There is no proof that (s)he ever existed... the idea exists only in the faith of those who imagine it.

End of discussion!

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
2. Neitszche said "God is dead", and he was an atheist
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 08:51 PM
Aug 2018

So he didn't believe it literally. But he did believe in the power of big ideas. And so he thought, the Christian God as an idea around which to organize society was dead, with nothing to replace it. He did not believe democracy or consumer capitalism were suitable replacements, so we still have nothing to organize ourselves with.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
3. I'm just a DUer, so I can only present simple
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 08:54 PM
Aug 2018

ideas. I work with what I have available. Neitszche, however, is dead, I believe.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. Unless we find evidence of an Ubermensch
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 09:02 PM
Aug 2018

In which case, Nietzsche would be resurrected under his own terms.

Voltaire2

(13,121 posts)
11. Some evolutionary psychologists claim it did.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:01 AM
Aug 2018

Their theories claim that religion enabled organizations larger than the small tribal groups that existed prior to the urbanization of humans.

I’m not convinced.

edhopper

(33,606 posts)
13. It might have worked in terms
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:35 AM
Aug 2018

of perpetuating the species. Which is all evolution is about. It didn't work in terms of making lives better.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
14. I think it is more of a coincidence that organized religion developed along with
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:38 AM
Aug 2018

civilization. The increasing population in particular areas fostered religion's growth.

The other idea is a post hoc ergo propter hoc argument, I think, and can't be tested in any case.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
15. Hunter gatherer cultures all over the world have religion
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:53 AM
Aug 2018

Not necessarily deities but supernatural beliefs, rituals etc. I don't think there is one that doesn't have something. It must either have survival value or be a byproduct of one or more normal cognitive processes.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
16. The independent development of religion by virtually every culture
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:07 AM
Aug 2018

has been studied, debated and theorized about by many. The reasons for its universal development are a point of argument, of course. A sense of wonder, fear, a need for enforceable ethical or moral standards, an innate need for belief in supernatural causes, answers to unanswerable questions, and other elements are often considered as the reasons. I tend toward the unanswerable questions theory. The bottom line, though, is that nobody really knows why religions are developed by cultures. The explanation least often considered is divine revelation. While a few mention it, it's not something that is typically taken seriously by students of human behavior.

It's an interesting thing to study, even though a definitive answer is probably not possible. We seem to enjoy thinking about and talking about questions we can't possibly answer. That's why I lean toward that explanation.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
17. Seems pretty simple to me...
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:39 PM
Aug 2018

Humans like to figure out how stuff works. They can't just accept that lightning just is...they want to know why.

When they can't figure out why, humans will make up something that sounds good to them.

So lightning being caused by angry God(s) made sense back when our scientific knowledge was extremely minimal.

The Earth/Solar System/Universe being created by an all-powerful God made sense back then too.

Obviously now we have scientific understanding and knowledge, and a process by which to figure things out...back then we had fewer tools in our tool kit so our hypotheses and theories turned to the supernatural.

I think it's just a natural byproduct of our need to investigate and understand affected by an immature or nonexistent scientific process.

Voltaire2

(13,121 posts)
18. The theories are about organized religion.
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:48 PM
Aug 2018

And how they enabled non kinship trust relationships and consequently organizations greater than hunter gatherer tribal units.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
20. Religion that is followed by more than a few people always seems to
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 04:49 PM
Aug 2018

get organized. Organization helps keep the stories straight.

Permanut

(5,625 posts)
10. Now, there you go applying logic to the situation..
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 11:22 PM
Aug 2018

I'm not sure logic, truth, science and facts are relevant in religion these days. Or in the cult of Trump.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
21. I'm not sure they ever were. Religion comes from the realm of time
Tue Aug 28, 2018, 04:50 PM
Aug 2018

before logic, truth, science and facts were concerns. Sadly, it continues to pretend that those are still not concerns. That's one of the reasons we do not see new religions develop. The old ones, however, continue to exist, primarily due to the deliberate ignorance that is so attractive to many humans. The profitability of religion, of course, also plays a role. I mean, being a religious leader is a job, after all. Everyone needs a job.

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