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rug

(82,333 posts)
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:03 PM Jun 2012

Doug Koesel, Cleveland Priest, Writes: What The Nuns' Story Is Really About

Posted: 06/01/2012 8:57 am Updated: 06/01/2012 2:19 pm

The Vatican orthodoxy watch dog group known as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith announced in April its intention to overhaul the largest organization of American nuns known as the The Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR).

The claim was that the group was taking positions that undermine Roman Catholic teaching on the priesthood and homosexuality while promoting "certain radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith."

The crackdown has provoked reactions across the country in support of the nuns. None of the responses have been as heartfelt and forthright as this letter from Fr. Doug Koesel a parish priest serving at the Blessed Trinity Catholic Church in Cleveland, Ohio which is printed below with permission.

What the Nuns’ Story is Really About

Many of you have asked me to comment on the recent investigation into the US nuns. Here goes. In short, the Vatican has asked for an investigation into the life of religious women in the United States. There is a concern about orthodoxy, feminism and pastoral practice. The problem with the Vatican approach is that it places the nuns squarely on the side of Jesus and the Vatican on the side of tired old men, making a last gasp to save a crumbling kingdom lost long ago for a variety of reasons.

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Doug Koesel, Cleveland Priest, Writes: What The Nuns' Story Is Really About (Original Post) rug Jun 2012 OP
I think they have definitely messed with the wrong women here. cbayer Jun 2012 #1
That "sleeping dog" has no teeth skepticscott Jun 2012 #5
Lol rug Jun 2012 #6
Nice to know your church's misogyny amuses you. n/t laconicsax Jun 2012 #7
It doesn't. But you do. rug Jun 2012 #8
Since you called me a troll for saying the same of you... laconicsax Jun 2012 #9
No, by all means, do so. rug Jun 2012 #10
I'll accept that as an admission of guilt. n/t laconicsax Jun 2012 #11
Answering your direct question rug Jun 2012 #12
Are you asking me to call you a troll? laconicsax Jun 2012 #13
I just won $20. rug Jun 2012 #14
Then we're both winners today. n/t laconicsax Jun 2012 #15
$40! rug Jun 2012 #16
Congrats! laconicsax Jun 2012 #17
No. But now I'm at $80. Keep it up! rug Jun 2012 #18
Well done. How much of that is going to the Church? laconicsax Jun 2012 #19
Every penny. And I'm donating it in your name. rug Jun 2012 #20
Will I be getting a "thank you for your donation" card? laconicsax Jun 2012 #21
If you wish, rug Jun 2012 #22
Ah, so you do provide financial support to the hate group that is the RCC. laconicsax Jun 2012 #23
Yes, thousands and thousands, all in your name. rug Jun 2012 #24
It's a shame they changed the name to "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith." laconicsax Jun 2012 #2
An excellent letter! - n/t Jim__ Jun 2012 #3
Despite Fr Koesel's lip service skepticscott Jun 2012 #4

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
1. I think they have definitely messed with the wrong women here.
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jun 2012

They should have let that sleeping dog lie.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
5. That "sleeping dog" has no teeth
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:46 PM
Jun 2012

and no power to change how women in the church are treated. They'll meet, they'll talk and pray, they'll protest in whatever little way the men will permit them, but in the end, they will be regarded by the red hat club just the way they always have...as second class citizens. They can either live with that, or leave.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
9. Since you called me a troll for saying the same of you...
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:44 PM
Jun 2012

Would it be out of line for me to return the favor?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
12. Answering your direct question
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:54 PM
Jun 2012

while ignoring your dangling clause . . .

is hardly an acceptance of your insinuation.

Accept that.

Now, do intend to call me a troll directly or simply to continue your pattern of unfounded insinuation?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
18. No. But now I'm at $80. Keep it up!
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 11:19 PM
Jun 2012

Why I just said to an unnamed person, "I bet double or nothing laconicsax feigns jocularity." I did!

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
21. Will I be getting a "thank you for your donation" card?
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 11:28 PM
Jun 2012

You know, something that says that the money donated in my name will be used as hush money to help cover up crimes committed by Church officials?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
22. If you wish,
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 11:44 PM
Jun 2012

I'll mark the envelope so that it goes directly to the laconicsax hush money fund.

I'll mark mine for the rug retired nuns health fund.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
2. It's a shame they changed the name to "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith."
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:09 PM
Jun 2012

"Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition" sounds just so much more important.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
4. Despite Fr Koesel's lip service
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:40 PM
Jun 2012

at the bottom, he has been, is, and will remain a representative and enabler of those "tired old men". I'm sure he's ginned up all kinds of fancy rationalizations for it, all boiling down to some form of the "change from within" thingie, but he knows perfectly well that that doesn't work and never will. The Catholic Church will not change significantly on the volition of the church hierarchy. It will only change as its members leave or die, and even then the change will only be a lessening of its influence, not a modification of its doctrines or policies.

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