As a thought exercise,

How many logic based decisions can you come up with that sucked? That were totally devoid of emotion but nonetheless sucked?

(p.s. atheism has plenty of emotion behind it too. And there is nothing wrong with that.)

(p.p.s. emotions aren't bad.)

there is no proof of a god?

You tell me?

The world is proof enough for me.

Tell me about your emotions.

Please clarify.

You asked:

What kind of emotion is behind

there is no proof of a god?


And I said, I don't know. Tell me.

What is your emotion behind there is no proof of god?

(It is OK to have emotion)

When asked what specific emotion you are referring to your answer is you don't know. That doesn't do much to support your assertion.

Fear, anger, sadness, joy, disgust, surprise,trust, and anticipation. Thinking "there is no proof of a god" is of course a statement just like "that apple is red". They are both declarative statements and don't need an emotion. Might as well ask me what kind of emotion is behind stating that 2+2=4. Of course its ok to have emotions, its not ok to let emotions tell you what is right and wrong and what the nature of the world is. First with the head then with the heart. Emotions are a very powerful thing, they can easily take over rational thought and push you to make rash and bad decisions. When your belief system is emotional based you reinforce that to the point that reality is not reality anymore but what you believe. This is playing out in our current politics to a massive degree. It is not a coincidence that the entire republican parties platform is fear based. It is also not a coincidence that religious people voted overwhelmingly for dump.

In my experience, atheism isn't driven by emotion--but it often drives emotion. There's usually quite a bit of frustration involved once you realize how religion screws up the world.

It wasn't due to a failure of that method. The bad decisions people make because of emotion are inevitably due to the inherent flaw of using that method.

Emotions themselves aren't bad, but they can lead to bad decisions. Demagoguery is the process of tapping into base emotions in order to influence people, often toward making bad decisions. That's exactly why Trump is president. This is one example of the inherent flaw of allowing emotion to influence the decision making process.

It can be perfectly okay to have faith in something non rational. But it's important to understand that it's non rational and not try to project it on others as if it's a rational system.

and history in itself shows that using this non rational processes has been detrimental to us all.

We are rational. We are emotional. We are OK.

Religion is but a warped interpretation/expression of the emotion/feeling of humility.

And, because your position is itself unprovable, perhaps there is only the illusion of a logical foundation to it.

You've told us over and over again that your belief in The Creator™ is based entirely on faith, and has nothing whatsoever to do with logic or reason.

And that concerns self awareness.

And an awareness of when cognitive bias can deceive us into thinking that we are being logical.

You made a declarative statement.

Mao, Stalin and Kim are atheists. If you get to make a claim without backing it up, well, the goose is good for the gander buddy.

Thank you.

did I say that. Just it is the height of hypocrisy for you to come back telling me I need to prove something moments after saying you had to prove nothing. Reflect. https://democraticunderground.com/1218302561#post44

Belief systems - religious or not - are based on experience filled with both logical thinking and emotion. I hear it a lot..."emotion bad, logic good"? You want to cut yourself into pieces and pretend not to use the parts you don't like? Sorry, humans don't do pure logic devoid of emotion. Emotion is what makes our thoughts and actions real, personal and powerful. For good or ill. Mind and heart cannot be separated as far as I can tell.

From your name I would guess you play guitar, I have a Gibson SG, you?

I apologize for the delayed response. Fascinating study on emotions and beliefs. Fear seems to be the real killer of rationality. Still, emotion and thought can only be divided by thought experiment. I have yet to see myself or anyone say anything without emotional content. So much could be said about this but I'll keep this short.

I would probably expand on that list of basic emotions (fear, anger, sadness, joy, disgust, surprise, trust, and anticipation) and include reverence or love as emotions and probably others...still working on that in myself. But wouldn't you say that the desire to act out of rationality is driven by powerful emotions, namely trust in the process of rationality and anticipation of getting better outcomes through its employment. But also out of deep respect and appreciation for truth and our mind's precarious relationship to it. Not that I believe I know the truth any more than others, I'm working with what I got as does anyone. It's fun to explore.

Yes! I've got an Ibenez Artcore AS73, which is like a Gibson ES335... only it's not, but it's not bad for $300. Still waiting on the big bucks to get a PRS Just having fun with it for now though I had fancied myself being a musician at one time. Love to play around with effects to get all sorts of interesting and colorful sounds. Kind of the opposite of all the acoustic music I love listening to. And I've actually mostly been playing a mandolin lately that I picked up a few years ago in SF. What about you?