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Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 06:56 PM Apr 2019

2 Kings chapter 2

From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some little boys came out of the city and jeered at him: “Go away, baldy; go away, baldy!”

The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces.
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And people revere this book?

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2 Kings chapter 2 (Original Post) Cartoonist Apr 2019 OP
For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #1
Which is it then? Cartoonist Apr 2019 #3
It's whatever you want it to be. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #4
That's the problem Cartoonist Apr 2019 #6
Oh, I don't know. Everybody likes to make fun of Leviticus. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #20
Well, in one case Lordquinton Apr 2019 #5
I never quite understood that story. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #7
Maybe Elisha... uriel1972 Apr 2019 #8
It said the bears tore into 42 *of* the children, which suggests there were more than 42. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #18
42 children Lordquinton Apr 2019 #9
I don't think they ate them Cartoonist Apr 2019 #10
That makes more sense. Lordquinton Apr 2019 #11
These were superbears Cartoonist Apr 2019 #12
They weren't forebears Lordquinton Apr 2019 #15
And they were she-bears. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #17
I can't bear it anymore Lordquinton Apr 2019 #22
One was the Queen of Shebear Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #27
I didn't know bears were organized in a monarchy Lordquinton Apr 2019 #35
Smarter than the average bear? Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #16
"With God, all things are possible." - Jesus. nt. Mariana Apr 2019 #14
There's only one species of bear that's native to the Middle East, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #13
Old Yahweh put the magic in them. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #24
Maybe they were the last local descendants of the grizzlies from the Ark? Pope George Ringo II Apr 2019 #29
In that area there are only Syrian brown bears, which are relatively small as bears go. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #19
It's like every depiction of dinosaurs being T-rexes Lordquinton Apr 2019 #23
Maybe just the bald christians! justhanginon Apr 2019 #2
Elisha was an Old Testament dude, so not Christian. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #21
Same god. Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #25
Well, yeah, but just because Elisha told God to set bears on the children The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #30
You seem to be claiming that we have to apply Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #32
Not at all, I'm just making jokes. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #33
It's also a safe bet all the other miracles Elisha performed were just made up as well Major Nikon Apr 2019 #34
Too bad Elisha didn't have a combover like T-rump Sanity Claws Apr 2019 #26
My favorite Bible story of all! MineralMan Apr 2019 #28
Bethel? edhopper Apr 2019 #31

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
1. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat,
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:06 PM
Apr 2019

I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

Matthew 25:34

And people revere this book?

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
6. That's the problem
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:19 PM
Apr 2019

And the horrific quotes get no condemnation. They just get deflected and covered up by nice sounding homilies. Just like you did there.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
7. I never quite understood that story.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 07:23 PM
Apr 2019

If the she-bears ate 42 of the children there must have been even more of them (children, not bears), so maybe Elisha felt threatened by this large mob of juvenile hooligans and the bears saved him. Even so, it was kind of harsh.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
8. Maybe Elisha...
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:12 PM
Apr 2019

was a psychopath worshiping a psychopathic god? Why must there have been more of them, where is your evidence?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
18. It said the bears tore into 42 *of* the children, which suggests there were more than 42.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 11:28 PM
Apr 2019

When you think about it, that's a pretty impressive feat for only two smallish Syrian brown bears - you'd think the children would have scattered and run away so they bears couldn't have gotten as many as 42 of them. I should think 8 to 10, max, unless the bears were acting in concert like lionesses, which bears don't normally do. Since I don't actually believe in God, or at least Yahweh, the old god of the Israelites, I don't think this alleged bear predation was instigated by God at all. A bear came out of the woods and ate the kid that was teasing Elisha and the whole incident got blown out of proportion.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
9. 42 children
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:17 PM
Apr 2019

that's a lot of kids for just two bears to eat all in one go. I wonder what kind of bears they would be too. I'd imagine that an artist would portray something big like a grizzley, but I don't think they come in those sizes in the middle east.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
10. I don't think they ate them
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:24 PM
Apr 2019

They just tore them to pieces.

King James described it thusly:
And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
11. That makes more sense.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:26 PM
Apr 2019

You'd still think that after the first 6 the rest would have run off, unless these bears tracked them down after the fact.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
35. I didn't know bears were organized in a monarchy
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 11:42 PM
Apr 2019

but it comes at no surprise that they are a matriarchal society.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
13. There's only one species of bear that's native to the Middle East,
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 09:41 PM
Apr 2019

and that's the Syrian brown bear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_brown_bear It's actually a relatively small bear, so these two bears probably couldn't have eaten 42 children if they'd wanted to.

Voltaire2

(13,054 posts)
24. Old Yahweh put the magic in them.
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 07:17 AM
Apr 2019

You keep forgetting that these she-bears were agents of the creator of the universe. They were not limited by the capacities of normal Syrian she-bears.

However, counting was not well understood at the time, so it might have been only 41 children, or even as few as 39, or maybe 47.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
19. In that area there are only Syrian brown bears, which are relatively small as bears go.
Fri Apr 5, 2019, 11:30 PM
Apr 2019

You'd need a dozen or so Kodiak bears to do that sort of damage.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
23. It's like every depiction of dinosaurs being T-rexes
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 02:54 AM
Apr 2019

They didn't exist at the same time as most other dinos we know and love.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
30. Well, yeah, but just because Elisha told God to set bears on the children
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 10:55 AM
Apr 2019

doesn't mean God actually did it; God is infamous for ignoring prayers. It's more likely that the bears were just hungry and did it on their own. If I could get God to send bears after people I'd start going to church again, and I know who I'd start with.

Do bears live near Washington, D.C., or in Florida? Florida does have panthers and alligators; maybe I'll have to modify my request.

Voltaire2

(13,054 posts)
32. You seem to be claiming that we have to apply
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 02:36 PM
Apr 2019

some sort of reasonableness standard to claims in religious texts. In that case just throw the entire set of books on the bonfire. They are almost entirely composed of unreasonable claims, which is sort of the point to begin with.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
33. Not at all, I'm just making jokes.
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 02:39 PM
Apr 2019

I don't actually think there's a god who responds to prayers to have one's adversaries set upon by bears - or any other sorts of prayers, for that matter.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
34. It's also a safe bet all the other miracles Elisha performed were just made up as well
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 09:53 PM
Apr 2019

Along with every other metaphysical claims made by any other religious text on behalf of everyone else. I don't think some would want to go there, though. Easier to pretend the bible is inerrant.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
26. Too bad Elisha didn't have a combover like T-rump
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 07:25 AM
Apr 2019

Why didn't God intervene and give Elisha hair? That would have shown the kids a thing or two and prevented the bear mauling.

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