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Related: About this forumDalai Lama says humans may need to move beyond religion.
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I know he is a Buddhist leader and this forum is mostly related to Christianity, but I thought I'd share this quote from his twitter.
"I am increasingly convinced that the time has come to find a way of thinking about spirituality and ethics beyond religion altogether."
Link: https://twitter.com/DalaiLama/status/212834857208905729
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)religion, which is organized and, hence, institutional, and what some people refer to as "spirituality", but what I like to think of as an awareness and cultivation of emergent properties that make a whole greater than the sum of its parts, a.k.a. a living im - mediate (as in un-mediated) Gestalt.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
patrice
(47,992 posts)any word, for that matter.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)What you're describing is "Hollywood Buddhism," which is sort of a nonsense mush of feel-good new-agey stuff put together by people whose closest experience with Buddhism is attending a "Free Tibet" concert once.
Buddhism, as practiced by Buddhists - as opposed to hip westerners - very definitely counts as religion. it's filled with rituals, superstition, religious orders, sects, scripture, and has a pretty bloody history of religious warfare all its own.
What throws a lot of westerners though is that eastern religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, and Shinto aren't mutually exclusive; you can't really be a Jewish Islamo-christian, but you CAN be a Buddhist who reveres Brahma as a Buddha before offering a chicken to the local shaman for intercession with your angry ancestors.
patrice
(47,992 posts)at all as you describe, though I'll have to admit that I have not cross examined them about their practices.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)laconicsax
(14,860 posts)It also likely ties in with his book on secular ethics and this:
http://www.progressive.org/mag_intv0106
The Dalai Lama: Human values. When I look at birds and animals, their survival is without rules, without conditions, without organization. But mothers take good care of their offspring. Thats nature. In human beings also, parentsparticularly mothersand children have a special bond. Mothers milk is a sign of this affection. We are created that way. The childs survival is entirely dependent on someone elses affection. So, basically, each individuals survival or future depends on society. We need these human values. I call these secular ethics, secular beliefs. Theres no relationship with any particular religion. Even without religion, even as nonbelievers, we have the capacity to promote these things.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)It's time for a reason-based approach to spiritualism.
daaron
(763 posts)not to mention deposed monarch. He'd have even more credibility if he gave up his claim to the throne.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)He has also said that he may be the last Dalai Lama. He says the role may have outlived its usefulness.
glinda
(14,807 posts)China has chosen. The chain is broken to some degree at least for now....
daaron
(763 posts)I can't say I'm sorry to see a monarchical lineage broken up, but no doubt Mao's cultural revolution sparked something terrible and tragic and wrong. It wasn't a popular revolution that overthrew the Tibetan monarchy, though - that's the critical difference, and why the Dalai Lama is still so important.
daaron
(763 posts)He certainly has a uniquely informed perspective from which to speak. Plus he has this weird way of sounding ... enlightened. No, really. He does - like he's the only grown-up in the room. Jacques Cousteau had a similar gravitas, minus the barely concealed smile.
jerseyjack
(1,361 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)"any MADE UP explanation of the unknown."
If it's unknown... the made up part is de rigueur. But one CAN make guesses based on what IS known. Religion does not do this.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)or, a way of thinking...
humans thinking about spirituality and ethics
Note: This is not his conviction, rather slow revelation in progress.
For example: The metaphor of an internal unseen ligature connecting temporal man to the infinitude of spirituality could be found in a metaphor of resonance instead.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)Pretty much the same as all of us obviously, except his words get more press.
This one on its face is both reasonable and blindingly obvious. Hundreds of miilions if not billions of people already have fully functional and effective ethical systems that operate beyond religion. These systems are generally both more applicable to reality than deontologies and more responsive to a world rapidly developing past the circumstances foreseen by the authors of religious codes. In this then he is absolutely right, but no more insightful than one would be in saying "Slavery - I think it might be a bad idea."
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Only because of the demographics of the country in which it is located and from which most of its members come.