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rug

(82,333 posts)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:09 AM Jun 2012

Holiday displays may go to lottery

Posted: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:32 pm | Updated: 12:01 am, Tue Jun 19, 2012.

By ERIC POOLE Calkins Media | 12 comments

ELLWOOD CITY — Borough council next month could approve a lottery system that would determine the content of holiday displays in front of the Ellwood City municipal building.

In a 4-3 vote, council agreed to advertise a change in Ellwood City’s ordinance addressing nongovernmental displays on borough property. Council members Glenn Jones and Marilyn Mancini and council President Anthony “Lefty” DeCarbo voted against the ordinance change, and council members Judith Dici, John Todorich, George Celli and Ralph Chiappetta were in favor.

“We’re all assuming that the winner of a lottery would put up a creche,” said DeCarbo, who warned that lottery systems have caused problems in other jurisdictions when nonreligious groups — or religious parody organizations such as followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster — won holiday display lotteries.

Under the proposed rules, any borough resident or taxpayer wishing to put up a holiday display would submit an application for a permit. If no borough taxpayer applied, then people from outside the area would be able to apply.

http://www.timesonline.com/news/local_news/holiday-displays-may-go-to-lottery/article_7066e634-0534-597a-a2a0-444eb788d6ee.html

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Holiday displays may go to lottery (Original Post) rug Jun 2012 OP
This could get awesome. n/t Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #1
It is never too early to discuss pressing issues. rug Jun 2012 #2
Why not: "Just put yer holiday display on yer own stinkin property"? struggle4progress Jun 2012 #3
Sure... rexcat Jun 2012 #7
This is what caused all the hoopla in Santa monica, which cbayer Jun 2012 #4
Right. rug Jun 2012 #5
There are no atheists in the Borough? Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #6
That's a two part question. rug Jun 2012 #8
That probably would have been a good idea in SM as well, and led to a more equal distribution. cbayer Jun 2012 #9
I'd have designed it differently. Igel Jun 2012 #10
You are so right about Santa Monica, lol. cbayer Jun 2012 #11

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
7. Sure...
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jun 2012

If I put a "holiday" display on my property representing my view of the "season" I am sure that nothing would happen to the display, my yard or my house or for that matter my family....

Religious displays are a one way proposition in the community I live in. Tolerance is not a word used by the "good" religious people where I live.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. This is what caused all the hoopla in Santa monica, which
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jun 2012

eventually led to their move to not allow any displays at all.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
5. Right.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:37 AM
Jun 2012

What is interesting in this otherwise uninteresting story is that the Borough wants to limit lottery entries to Borouh residents. Presumably to avoid the gaming that occurred in the Santa Monica lottery.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
8. That's a two part question.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:48 AM
Jun 2012

1) How many are there?

2) How many care enough to enter the lottery?

If this ordinance passes we'll find out soon enough.

And if the answer to either question is "few", I'm sure there will be an organized campaign to enter it nevertheless.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
9. That probably would have been a good idea in SM as well, and led to a more equal distribution.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:55 AM
Jun 2012

SM residents had no substantial objection to a display put on by atheists or secularists, it was the 18/21 plots that they objected to. It's a progressive community, in general, a pretty laid back (it's hard not to be laid back if you live in that location).

Igel

(35,309 posts)
10. I'd have designed it differently.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:06 PM
Jun 2012

The reason for the displays are celebrations, not "dismissals." I don't think of 7/23 as "Christianity Dismissal Day" or 9/13 as "Islam Dismissal Day." The days chosen for displays are positive displays, not negative, and they're chosen to line up the message with the day or days.

I'd have a lottery for each week and each day, with special lotteries for specific holidays--whether Eid or Hannukah or Xmas.

I'd have displays be appropriate to the day. I would want something 7/4-related for 7/4 and have a lottery for that. There's no pressing reason to celebrate Bastille Day that day or to disparage Putin's Chechen policy on that day, so such displays could be limited.

You want a nice commemoration on MLK day, great. You want to put up a display dissing MLK you should be allowed to put it up, but you should also remember you have 360+ other days of the year to show contempt and superiority and, as it turns out, one to show tolerance.

Same for other days, religious and non-. SM likes tolerance, esp. when they can say they're just being open minded concerning the proper kinds of intolerance. It's a strange mindset, one I never got into. Then again, I lived a few miles outside the SM city limit in WLA.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
11. You are so right about Santa Monica, lol.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:09 PM
Jun 2012

And this so backfired on them.

I like your idea about having lotteries for specific days and some requirements that they be celebratory and not derogatory displays.

I hope I read this right, but that's my takeaway.

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