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laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 10:14 PM Jun 2012

Accelerated Christian Education's top 5 lies about Evolution

For those who don't know, Accelerated Christian Education is a company that makes textbooks for use at private Christian schools and by fundamentalists who home-school.

There are “facts” in the ACE PACEs that are absolutely untrue. Now, you might be kind and say, “Perhaps they are mistakes.” But these errors have remained in the PACEs through successive reprints, and they are things which were known to be untrue long before the PACEs went into print in the first place. Therefore, we can say that the writers didn’t care about factual accuracy. If you’re running an education system, that’s gross negligence and I feel no compunction about calling these things lies.

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4. Solar Fusion is a Myth

The sun, as everybody knows, works by nuclear fusion. Unfortunately, Creationists have a pet theory, outlined on pages 7-9 of Science 1096 (a PACE devoted entirely to refuting evolution, packed with misinformation and distortions of the truth). In short, Creationists want to prove that the sun is shrinking. If the sun is shrinking at a constant rate, then billions of years ago it would have swallowed up the earth. This, they say, proves that the universe must be young.

Unfortunately for them, the sun is not shrinking. That’s because, contrary to their assumptions, the sun is not a massive gas boiler gradually shrinking as it burns fuel. It’s a fusion reactor. This doesn’t fit their model, so they outright deny the truth:

The nuclear fusion theory of how the sun emits heat and light is an invention of evolution scientists… All other theories require the sun to use up all its energy sooner than the evolutionists’ invented timetable would allow.
http://leavingfundamentalism.wordpress.com/2012/05/07/top-5-lies-told-by-accelerated-christian-education/
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Accelerated Christian Education's top 5 lies about Evolution (Original Post) laconicsax Jun 2012 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jun 2012 #1
Yeah, we've had a few flamewars over that. n/t laconicsax Jun 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jun 2012 #3
Wait...the Loch Ness Monster is real? Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #4
According to creationists, yes. laconicsax Jun 2012 #5
My head...it hurts. Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #6
Ya know, in a way, it's this sort of thing that pisses me off more than anything else... eqfan592 Jun 2012 #7
THIS. And... 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #17
Plus, it was Fred, Wilma, and Dino longship Jun 2012 #8
Because neutrinos. dimbear Jun 2012 #9
"strange quark" :D daaron Jun 2012 #12
I think it's the lack of detectable neutrons that are cold fusion's problem muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #14
Ooops. I've been detected in a slipup. dimbear Jun 2012 #16
It seems certain that Mark's Gospel was written about 50 CE. dimbear Jun 2012 #10
Actually they are not pushing that one by all that much dmallind Jun 2012 #11
Religious nuts like eating nuts, too. daaron Jun 2012 #13
Oh, my Dog. SwissTony Jun 2012 #15

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laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
5. According to creationists, yes.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 10:59 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scotland/loch-ness-monster-cited-by-us-schools-as-evidence-that-evolution-is-myth-1-2373903
THOUSANDS of American school pupils are to be taught that the Loch Ness monster is real – in an attempt by religious teachers to disprove Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution.

Pupils attending privately-run Christian schools in the southern state of Louisiana will learn from textbooks next year, which claim Scotland’s most famous mythological beast is a living creature.

Thousands of children are to receive publicly-funded vouchers enabling them to attend the schools – which follow a strict fundamentalist curriculum.

The Accelerated Christian Education (ACE) programme teaches controversial religious beliefs, aimed at disproving evolution and proving creationism.

eqfan592

(5,963 posts)
7. Ya know, in a way, it's this sort of thing that pisses me off more than anything else...
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 11:13 PM
Jun 2012

...when it comes to religion and especially religious fundamentalists. The spreading of this sort of disinformation as EXTREMELY harmful to our future generations, and that children are being fed this bullshit from people they should be able to trust is disgusting, pure and simple.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
17. THIS. And...
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:52 PM
Jun 2012

I'll add: this is (one of) the reason(s) just "leaving them alone" and "agree to disagree" is morally the wrong choice.

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. Plus, it was Fred, Wilma, and Dino
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:01 AM
Jun 2012

Because the universe is 6,000 years old so dinosaurs lived with humans, but they ate only plants until that evil Eve ate that fucking apple. But they don't say how Adam, Eve, and their progeny avoided being et by a T Rex after the apple incident. But at the Creation Museum they do explain how Adam's and Eve's sons found their wives...

That's right. As PZ Myers reported, they f*cked their sisters. Good Christian values there. Apparently incest is best according to the Bible -- at least according to Ken Ham at his Creation Museum.

I want a PhD in this shit. Maybe I could get a teaching job and wouldn't have to bother with those messy mathematical equations. I can just make shit up.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
9. Because neutrinos.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:36 AM
Jun 2012

That's the most telling evidence that nuclear reactions power the sun. The sun is known absolutely to be a powerful source of neutrinos. That's one way folk know cold fusion doesn't work: it doesn't throw off neutrinos.

Just another strange quark of nature.




muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
14. I think it's the lack of detectable neutrons that are cold fusion's problem
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:42 AM
Jun 2012

not neutrinos, which are very had to detect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_detector

You are, of course, right that the Sun produces neutrinos, though: http://www.chemistry.bnl.gov/sciandtech/sn/default.htm

Whether or not cold fusion should be producing neutrinos, the difficulty in detecting them means no-one is going to be placing a honking great neutrino detector next to the cold fusion experiment in the near future.

http://www.tgdaily.com/sustainability/41839-scientists-confirm-cold-fusion-experiment

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
16. Ooops. I've been detected in a slipup.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:37 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:33 PM - Edit history (1)

Muriel speaks the truth.

Neutrino detectors are massive.

I also admit that neutrinos are not in fact quarks.





edit: brainfart

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
10. It seems certain that Mark's Gospel was written about 50 CE.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:47 AM
Jun 2012

Or as these scholarly types express it, 50 AD, always a sign of an open mind.

I love these dates. We're just as certain that Mark was written around 50 CE as we are certain that "Gone With the Wind" was written about 1865.

You can tell because Sherman's March.... Atlanta in flames!

Right.



dmallind

(10,437 posts)
11. Actually they are not pushing that one by all that much
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:05 AM
Jun 2012

20 years or so. Surprised they didn't go for 33 CE.

 

daaron

(763 posts)
13. Religious nuts like eating nuts, too.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:26 AM
Jun 2012

How come no lawsuit is possible for Creation Museum funding? How can taxpayers paying for this crap POSSIBLY be legal?

Other creationist morans have no problem filing suit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_controversy_between_Answers_in_Genesis_and_Creation_Ministries_International

When do we get to take a bite of that unconstitutional apple? Oh wait - we have a SCROTUS not a SCOTUS. Fuck.

SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
15. Oh, my Dog.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:22 PM
Jun 2012

"The nuclear fusion theory of how the sun emits heat and light is an invention of evolution scientists… All other theories require the sun to use up all its energy sooner than the evolutionists’ invented timetable would allow."

I'm going to lie down in a darkened room. I can't take any more.

I'm almost tempted to buy one of those textbooks. It would be like reading an extended Tom Tomorrow comic.

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