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rug

(82,333 posts)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:12 AM Jun 2012

Would Finding Aliens Shatter Religious Beliefs?

by Mike Wall, SPACE.com Senior Writer
Date: 25 June 2012 Time: 09:34 AM ET

SANTA CLARA, Calif. — The discovery of life beyond Earth would shake up our view of humanity's place in the universe, but it probably wouldn't seriously threaten organized religion, experts say.

Religious faith remains strong in much of the world despite scientific advances showing that Earth is not the center of the universe, and that our planet's organisms were not created in their present form but rather evolved over billions of years. So it's likely that religion would also weather any storms caused by the detection of E.T., researchers say.

"I think there are reasons that we might initially think there are going to be some problems," said Doug Vakoch, director of Interstellar Message Composition at the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) Institute in Mountain View, Calif. "My own hunch is they're probably not going to be as severe as we might initially think."

Vakoch spoke Sunday (June 24) at the SETICon 2 conference, in a panel discussion called "Would Discovering ET Destroy Earth's Religions?"

http://www.space.com/16285-alien-life-discovery-religion-impact.html

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Would Finding Aliens Shatter Religious Beliefs? (Original Post) rug Jun 2012 OP
The majority already believes aliens are visiting longship Jun 2012 #1
time for this cartoon again Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #29
Thanks. A good one. longship Jun 2012 #30
The only reason it would change religous beliefs is if Auntie Bush Jun 2012 #2
Void of logic. Swamp Lover Jun 2012 #6
It would energize missionaries to go convert them. Loudly Jun 2012 #3
The only thing I dread agent46 Jun 2012 #4
I think almost of us would be talking about it for a very long time. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #11
I'm just messing with 'em agent46 Jun 2012 #14
Doubt it dmallind Jun 2012 #5
not if they're from Kolob MisterP Jun 2012 #7
Organized religion has proven to be durable --> daaron Jun 2012 #8
It would only confirm for me that we are not necessarily the top of the totem pole. cbayer Jun 2012 #9
If the aliens had a religion that was extremely similar to an Earth religion, ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #10
I think you should reconsider polytheism and animism. Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #12
When I say "extremely similar," I mean most things are the same. ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #13
Some Arthur C. Clarke novella, aliens came to earth and looked the way Xianity pictures the devil. raccoon Jun 2012 #15
Childhood's End. Swamp Lover Jun 2012 #16
Ha! I knew that without the Internet, Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #17
It should cause a lot of questioning about some religious beliefs muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #18
It could go either way.. Fumesucker Jun 2012 #19
Not mine. Iggo Jun 2012 #20
Why would it? laconicsax Jun 2012 #21
The God-Botherers will try to convert them. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #22
God's creation is not limited to the Earth meow2u3 Jun 2012 #23
Funny that wasn't mentioned in his book of truth. Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #24
"That part is myth, this part is real." trotsky Jun 2012 #25
Fundies would just call them agents of the devil/evil spirits and carry on with their kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #26
The fundies' heads would explode Angry Dragon Jun 2012 #27
Did discovering the earth was round shatter religious beliefs? Speck Tater Jun 2012 #28
Did evolution shatter their beliefs? longship Jun 2012 #31
Beliefs can't be shattered Laochtine Jun 2012 #32
Not for Hindus :) Vehl Jun 2012 #33

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. The majority already believes aliens are visiting
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:25 AM
Jun 2012

I know. It's silly. But really finding aliens out there wouldn't likely upset people... Unless they were hungry. That would be a bummer because if they are advanced enough for interstellar travel we wouldn't be able to stop them from doing anything they wanted.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
2. The only reason it would change religous beliefs is if
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:32 AM
Jun 2012

the Aleins looked more or less human showing other planets have the same evolution as we do and we we're not put here by God.

 

Swamp Lover

(431 posts)
6. Void of logic.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:29 PM
Jun 2012

Or that other planets were "created" in a similar fashion.

Such a discovery would be used like anything else. Any and all camps would twist it some way to suggest that it supports their point of view.

agent46

(1,262 posts)
4. The only thing I dread
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:47 AM
Jun 2012

about discovering aliens would be that the new agers would never shut up about it.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
5. Doubt it
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:02 PM
Jun 2012

It's not like extraterrestrial creation is specifically excluded in any holy text of those with which I am familiar. Yes you'd think an omniscient god would have mentioned it, but far more startling omissions in scripture are glossed over as simply stylistic exclusions. That only one gospel thinks the dead rising after the cruicifixion was worth a passing mention is my favorite example. The usual retort is that none of the others say the dead did NOT rise, therefore there is no problem. Similarly there is no reference I know of in major religion creation myths that says no other races on other planets were created as well as humanity, and I'm sure that will be the typical theistic response to their putative arrival.

 

daaron

(763 posts)
8. Organized religion has proven to be durable -->
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 01:02 PM
Jun 2012

in the face of changing worldviews. Each adapts "the Truth" to newly discovered or understood facts, always claiming a divine source for the revelation of the previously obscured "the Truth". Or, as we see among fundies, they simply deny facts outright - hence we still have geocentrists around.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
10. If the aliens had a religion that was extremely similar to an Earth religion,
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:50 PM
Jun 2012

then I think that would be very interesting.

For example, if a large number of them were Hindu, and there was no evidence of us influencing each other toward Hinduism, then that might force me to reconsider Hinduism.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
12. I think you should reconsider polytheism and animism.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:58 PM
Jun 2012

Consider the fact that native American civilizations, pretty much independent of Eurasian influence, developed their own versions of polytheistic and animist religions quite similar to those found elsewhere.

Perhaps this is not an indication that a religion is "real"?

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
13. When I say "extremely similar," I mean most things are the same.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:10 PM
Jun 2012

For example, the names of gods and goddesses, creation myths, the same holy texts, etc.

I agree it would not be proof that Hinduism was literally true, but for me, it would be grounds for giving Hinduism significantly more consideration.

raccoon

(31,111 posts)
15. Some Arthur C. Clarke novella, aliens came to earth and looked the way Xianity pictures the devil.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:56 PM
Jun 2012


Anyone remember the story?




muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
18. It should cause a lot of questioning about some religious beliefs
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:55 PM
Jun 2012

but nothing the usual doublethink couldn't cope with, I think.

For instance, assume we got radio signals that indicated the existence of aliens capable of transmitting them; and we decoded them, and found something about superstitions they used to have (or still have), but nothing about original sin, or a self-sacrifice by a god. Would the Christian churches who believe in such things say "looks like they're a better 'image of God' than us, since they've managed without Christ"? Or would they say that God has abandoned them, and not bothered to set them right on their sinning?

And, as I've said before, would they consider praying to God to tell us all about these new beings, and to relay our messages to them, rather than having to wait around for the speed of light? Or is God limited to c like everything in the universe?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
19. It could go either way..
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 08:17 PM
Jun 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculating_God

Plot summary

Thomas Jericho, a paleontologist working at the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto, makes the first human-to-alien contact when a spider-like alien arrives on Earth to investigate Earth's evolutionary history. The alien, Hollus, and her crewmembers have come to Earth to gain access to the museum's large collection of fossils, and to study accumulated human knowledge in order to gather evidence of the existence of God. It seems that Earth and Hollus' home planet, and the home planet of another alien species traveling with Hollus, all experienced the same five cataclysmic events at roughly the same time. Hollus believes that the universe was created by a god, to provide a place where life could develop and evolve. Thomas Jericho is an atheist who provides a balance to the philosophical discussion regarding the existence of gods.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
21. Why would it?
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:18 PM
Jun 2012

Over 100 million people in this country believe that the universe was magicked into existence as is sometime in the last 10,000 years and the more those beliefs are shown to be complete bullshit, the tighter they cling to them.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
23. God's creation is not limited to the Earth
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:21 AM
Jun 2012

Aliens are God's creatures, too, so my faith wouldn't be shaken at the discovery of extraterrestrial life. I'm sure fundies' faith would be shaken because they're weak at heart.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
24. Funny that wasn't mentioned in his book of truth.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jun 2012

God plumb forgot about it. Anyway the faith afflicted would claim victory if we do find life, or if it turns out that intelligent life is rare and brief and we are alone in our moment of space and time.

At least the fundamentalists are more consistent about the truthiness of the bible. They of course will have a bunch of explaining if we do find a tech civ. but the cherry pickets can have it anyway they want. That part is myth, this part is real.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
25. "That part is myth, this part is real."
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jun 2012

It ain't just the fundies doing that, but you already knew it.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
26. Fundies would just call them agents of the devil/evil spirits and carry on with their
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 01:31 PM
Jun 2012

silly lives.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
28. Did discovering the earth was round shatter religious beliefs?
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 01:57 PM
Jun 2012

Did discovering that the earth is not the center of universe shatter religious beliefs?

People adapt their irrational beliefs to whatever uncomfortable truths that circumstances force them to admit to.

longship

(40,416 posts)
31. Did evolution shatter their beliefs?
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 05:54 PM
Jun 2012

Not one trifle. They either adopt it into their canon (Catholicism, liberal Protestants, most Eastern religions) or they stick their fingers in their ears and scream "La-La-La-La Is not. IS NOT!!!!" then they make laws to make teaching the science illegal.

There's a kind of dichotomy on how sects handle these things. 150 years since Darwin published and over 1/2 of US still believe creationism. I've heard it's as high as 2/3. In tracking individual polls, the numbers haven't much changed over the past few decades.

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
33. Not for Hindus :)
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:29 PM
Jun 2012

We have interplanetary travel..wars between worlds/alien species....even marriages with beings in other planets.... in our epics.
So it's cool.


PS:

Hinduism has always maintained that humans are Not special, and are by no means the only living beings in this universe..we are insignificant in the universal scale...especially if one considers infinite universes.





^^ check from the 5.30 mark, for mention of other planets, and beings
(video clip from a Drama-version of the Indian Epic, the Mahabharata, where Arjuna(A hero from that epic) travels to other planets to acquire special weapons and knowledge from the beings who live there)



I hope there is some sexy alien princess out there for me to woo....a lot of Hindu heroes have done so in the Indian epics...so i guess there is some hope left me yet. I would settle for..say...an Apsara from the planet-city of Amarawati.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsara

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