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Supreme Court rules sensibly on Mt. Soledad cross (Original Post) DavidDvorkin Jun 2012 OP
Excellent news! At least on non-political issues COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #1
Good for them. cbayer Jun 2012 #2
Actually, they declined to rule. rug Jun 2012 #3
That is correct. I saw that also while looking further into this. cbayer Jun 2012 #4
I wonder if they knew that meant the lower court would stand? Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #5
Ah, but don't you see? Since they declined to hear the appeal... laconicsax Jun 2012 #6
Accurately describing Supreme Court actions is not nitpicking. rug Jun 2012 #8
Interesting that you saw yourself in that description. laconicsax Jun 2012 #9
Interesting you espouse clairvoyance. rug Jun 2012 #10
When you see lots and lots of posts written by a person 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #12
Then you should be able to speak more clearly, shouldn't you? rug Jun 2012 #17
Were you not describing your actions as a corrective to #6? laconicsax Jun 2012 #14
So, this time I'll have company descending into the Rabbit Hole of Passive Aggressive Obfuscation? 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #15
As a matter of fact, no. rug Jun 2012 #18
Any particular reason why you're shilling for Romney now? laconicsax Jun 2012 #21
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #22
Ah, so you're shilling for Romney because of me. laconicsax Jun 2012 #23
Lol, now you've stepped in it. rug Jun 2012 #24
I didn't post a Romney photo. laconicsax Jun 2012 #25
That'a a flatout lie. Anybody can rightclick on the photo and read the url under Properties. rug Jun 2012 #26
That link is to a screenshot of you posting pro-Romney stuff laconicsax Jun 2012 #27
Fortunately you posted a screenshot of #18 before you moved the photobucket link. rug Jun 2012 #28
I assert the right to organize my photobucket account as I see fit. laconicsax Jun 2012 #29
You posted a link from someone else's photobucket Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #30
There's a large thread in Meta about this. Kaleva Jun 2012 #31
Read it. What happens if I comment further? Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #32
I would say that what rug did was minor compared to what was done to him. Kaleva Jun 2012 #33
As I said above Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #34
Shades of Bill Cosby!!! aka-chmeee Jun 2012 #36
Of course. Just as they knew the Ninth Circuit decision allowed further litigation. rug Jun 2012 #7
Hope springs eternal. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #11
I can't wait till Christmas and see what's on the docket. rug Jun 2012 #20
Of course they knew that. Jim Lane Jun 2012 #16
So apart from nitpicking the exact terminology the OP used, trotsky Jun 2012 #13
No, that's about it. You got anything more from the FFR press release? rug Jun 2012 #19
Uh, yeah, the actual news item. trotsky Jun 2012 #35
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
3. Actually, they declined to rule.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 04:00 PM
Jun 2012

By not taking the case, the 9th Circuit decision stands.

See below.

Supreme Court won't hear Mt. Soledad cross case

The U.S. Supreme Court announced Monday it will not hear an appeal of a court ruling that the Mount Soledad cross in La Jolla is unconstitutional.

The decision likely means the fate of the cross will eventually land back in federal court in San Diego.

In January 2011, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the cross sent a message of government endorsement of religion and was therefore unconstitutional. However, the court left open the door for other legal alternatives to be found that would not necessarily mean the cross, which is on federal land, would have to be removed.


http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jun/25/mount-soledad-case/
 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
5. I wonder if they knew that meant the lower court would stand?
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:25 PM
Jun 2012

Maybe they didn't know that and just decided not to hear the case?

Not taking the case and letting the lower court stand is a kind of ruling. They were fine with the ruling. The 9th Circuit can now be used as precedence in other Circuits.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
6. Ah, but don't you see? Since they declined to hear the appeal...
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:00 PM
Jun 2012

People who want to criticize atheists, the FFRF, the 9th Circuit's decision, or efforts to uphold church-state separation can do so by nitpicking headlines.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
8. Accurately describing Supreme Court actions is not nitpicking.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 05:33 AM
Jun 2012

Ignorance is a poor weapon of activism.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
9. Interesting that you saw yourself in that description.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 05:49 AM
Jun 2012
People who want to criticize atheists, the FFRF, the 9th Circuit's decision, or efforts to uphold church-state separation...

Which part made you think I was talking about you?

Do you see yourself as someone who wants to criticize atheists?
Do you see yourself as someone who wants to criticize the FFRF?
Do you see yourself as someone who wants to criticize the 9th Circuit's decision?
Or do you see yourself as someone who wants to criticize efforts to enforce the establishment clause?
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
10. Interesting you espouse clairvoyance.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 05:58 AM
Jun 2012

I repeat: ignorance is a poor tool of activism, even if it's only internet activism.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
12. When you see lots and lots of posts written by a person
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 01:27 PM
Jun 2012

you can see things. And your voyance doesn't need to be that clair for that.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
14. Were you not describing your actions as a corrective to #6?
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:09 PM
Jun 2012

Or were you giving an excuse for a yet-unnamed party who sought to criticize atheists through nitpicking?

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
15. So, this time I'll have company descending into the Rabbit Hole of Passive Aggressive Obfuscation?
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jun 2012

Nice. You're good company.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
18. As a matter of fact, no.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 05:41 PM
Jun 2012

And I see you once again want to make a discussion about a subject into a discussion about a person.



(That was a great find. Thanks.)

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
21. Any particular reason why you're shilling for Romney now?
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 08:36 PM
Jun 2012

Edited to add screenshot for if rug edits.

Response to laconicsax (Reply #21)

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
23. Ah, so you're shilling for Romney because of me.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 08:55 PM
Jun 2012

Maybe you should link to your own image hosting account the next time you want to use an image.

You're asking why I alerted on a Romney campaign image on Democratic Underground?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
24. Lol, now you've stepped in it.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:02 PM
Jun 2012

You switch a photo which you posted from your photobucket account, which is "44 in this thread, http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=33032 , which I cut and paste.

Now you use the Romney photo, from your account, and accuse me of being a Romney shill?



All the urls are from your photobucket account. You're so transparent.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
26. That'a a flatout lie. Anybody can rightclick on the photo and read the url under Properties.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:12 PM
Jun 2012

Is there another laconicsax using photobucket?

Here's the url:

http://i261. photobucket.com/albums/ii58/laconicsax/Romney-rug. jpg


Here's the url of the photo you switced:

http://i261. photobucket.com/albums/ii58/laconicsax/people. jpg


You have the gall to manipulate your photobucket account to knowingly accuse me falsely of posting a Romney poster and try to mislead anyone who reads this?

You have openly crossed way over the line.
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
28. Fortunately you posted a screenshot of #18 before you moved the photobucket link.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:27 PM
Jun 2012

How stupid do you think people are? The link is still to your photobucket account.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
29. I assert the right to organize my photobucket account as I see fit.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 09:31 PM
Jun 2012

You should invest in one. That way you don't have to worry about broken links the next time you want to post an image.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
30. You posted a link from someone else's photobucket
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:52 PM
Jun 2012

and YOU are bitching about them changing their pictures. You might want to take a "shit-you-shouldn't-do-if-you-are-going-to-be-on-the-Internet-at-all-and-not-look-like-a-dumbass 101" class. Jesus. I teach 14-year old kids that know better than that. Was it that hard for you to just take the picture and put it in your own photobucket account?

Kaleva

(36,312 posts)
31. There's a large thread in Meta about this.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:49 PM
Jun 2012

You might want to read it before making further comments.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
32. Read it. What happens if I comment further?
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:22 AM
Jun 2012

What admin decides to do has no relation to the fact that hotlinking to someone else's photobucket account is on the top of the list of stupid shit to do on the Internet.

Thanks for chiming in for rug, though. I'm sure he appreciates it.

Kaleva

(36,312 posts)
33. I would say that what rug did was minor compared to what was done to him.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 12:53 AM
Jun 2012

rug will be here tomorrow. The other person may not be. Who then did the dumb thing?

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
34. As I said above
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 01:06 AM
Jun 2012

my comment to rug was about his actions as a user of the Internet and were distinct from anything that admin may or may not do to laconicsax.

They both did a dumb thing. They have both admitted as such.

aka-chmeee

(1,132 posts)
36. Shades of Bill Cosby!!!
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 10:02 AM
Jun 2012

Brings to mind the routine which ends:

I didn't put the bullet in the furnace and stop talking about my mother!

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
16. Of course they knew that.
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 04:20 PM
Jun 2012

The Justices would understand that (as, in fact, would most first-year law students). Furthermore, the papers from the cross's proponents, asking the Court to reverse the decision, would have made that abundantly clear.

As for precedent, the Ninth Circuit decision is not binding outside the Ninth Circuit area, even though the Supreme Court declined to hear the appeal. It will certainly be cited elsewhere if a similar issue arises, but another circuit could decide to disagree with it. By contrast, if the Supreme Court had chosen to hear the appeal and had affirmed, then that decision would be binding throughout the federal system.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
13. So apart from nitpicking the exact terminology the OP used,
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 01:32 PM
Jun 2012

do you have anything of substance to add to the topic?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
35. Uh, yeah, the actual news item.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 06:52 AM
Jun 2012

Just wondering if you had any comments - guess you just wanted to piss on someone again. Take care, rug.

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