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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:11 PM Jul 2012

The end of the world as we know it

Has anybody out there noticed that church attendance has been lower lately? The church budget is stretched thin because fewer people are giving? You can’t get a commitment out of people who are so busy they are already making summer plans -- for next summer? Welcome to the reality of church decline.

There has been quite a bit in the media lately about the trending decline of the institutional church and ongoing conversation about what strategy might ensure its sustainability. Countless observers of American religious life have noted that the church, all versions, is struggling. What they mean by decline is that fewer people are attending church, churches and denominational entities are getting organizationally smaller and there’s less money to go around.

This decline is not a suggestion or a guess but a fact. Even with the occasional mega church on the corner or some communities where these symptoms of decline don’t seem to be readily evident, they are there, just beneath the surface, or they are coming soon.

As a result, some church professionals are feeling a growing panic. What do we do with a church that looks different than it did, say, 50 years ago? It looks smaller and less popular. It has less influence on society as a whole. It seems to have lost its place at the center of most peoples’ lives. And we don’t know what to do.

http://www.abpnews.com/opinion/item/7648-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it#.UBLLMchWlAo

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cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
1. Maybe this is signaling a shift in religious conciousness.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:15 PM
Jul 2012

Perhaps religious beliefs are becoming more "personal" and people feel no need for the institutional dogma found at church, as it simply does not match up with reality.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. I appreciate the author's optimistic conclusion here:
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:16 PM
Jul 2012

"I think it’s an exciting time for the church. Society has handed us a reality we’d hoped we’d misread, but instead of lamenting our plight or struggling to get things back to the way they used to be, think of all the possibilities that await us."

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
3. I stopped going to services this past year
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:20 PM
Jul 2012

because I felt that nobody in the congregation cared about my struggle with being unemployed for the past 3 1/2 years. We're in the Type A, busy, busy, busy DC metro area. I guess the thought of unemployment was too difficult for these folks, many of them with secure federal jobs, to contemplate. All I wanted was for people to ask how I was doing, call once in a while, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is why people have left other churches around the country -- because of a lack of empathy for those who have lost their jobs. Some congregations do help out members in this situation, and that is wonderful.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. I think you may be right.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:25 PM
Jul 2012

Even those still with jobs are often feeling the financial stress of this crisis.

I hope you find a more empathic congregation....

and a job real soon.

So, how are you doing?

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
8. Much better, thanks for asking
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 02:32 PM
Jul 2012

Still not employed, but hoping that a Democratic takeover of Congress in November, and an Obama victory, leads to reasonable job-creation bills.

The more people working, the more likely I can find freelance writing assignments.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. Ah, freelance writer. So is one of my kids.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 02:42 PM
Jul 2012

Really struggling, but keeps working at it. She just got out of grad school and is kind of carving a niche in environmental/medical issues.

But it is really tough.

I wish you the best of luck, LiberalEsto. I also hope that the election will lead to brighter skies for many.

You can come around here for an arm around the shoulder anytime.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
5. I think it is the political nature of worshiping that is causing people to turn away....
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jul 2012

Look, I am a liberal and the only place I feel at home is either the UCC or the UU.

I feel uncomfortable at the UCC because I don't believe in a god who keeps score and who "threatens" punishment if I am deemed immoral by the person occupying the pulpit.

I left the UU because a church that professes to believe in basically everything really believes in nothing.

An example, I was on the board at the UU church and since I am an accountant, I was assigned to the finance committee. One of the first things I noticed was the church portfolio was heavily invested in GE. I brought up the little fact that GE is one of the largest weapons manufacturers in the world and that we shouldn't be invested in that company because of it's tie to war.

I was shot down almost like that...

eomer

(3,845 posts)
6. I wonder whether your experience is atypical (the GE investment by your UU church).
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:45 PM
Jul 2012

I'm pretty sure that would not be the response at the UU congregation that Ms. eomer and I are members of. Having spent a lot of time with our current President and other congregational leaders, I'm pretty sure our church would have agreed with you and would not be invested in GE. But you raise an interesting question and I'll ask about our investment policy next time I have a chance.

On the larger issue, maybe we're just contrary. We joined at our UU about a year ago after being away from church for some years. I wouldn't say the UU believes in nothing but rather that the UU believes in the truths that are universal while staying away from all the specific claims that are without foundation (in my opinion) yet the other churches damn each other over.

Here are the UU principles:

  1. The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
  2. Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
  3. Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
  4. A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
  5. The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
  6. The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
  7. Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.

That seems to me a pretty good list to believe in.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
7. I stuck around for several years and I know the core of the church...
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 02:11 PM
Jul 2012

But those principles seem to me to have been cobbled together by committee.

I do have to admit working in the background I saw how the whole organization operated including the national office left a bad taste in my mouth.

That's all I will say.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
9. I belonged to a UU congregation too
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 02:38 PM
Jul 2012

I still support UUism, but I think our congregation was affected by the hiring of a new and very inexperienced minister. I've been in good congregations, and not-so-good ones. Even in good congregations, things tend to shift from year to year, minister to minister.




 

rug

(82,333 posts)
12. This is the Associated Baptist Press.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jul 2012

It sounds like the author, a Baptist pastor, is addressing other Baptists.

It may not hold globally.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
15. I know a lot more people who have to work weekends now
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 05:17 PM
Jul 2012

I find schedules are less flexible, and bosses more demanding of time. I could see how more people being employed by large corporations, and how that corporate culture could be detrimental to one's spiritual life may contribute to such a decline. Of course I don't know if my observations have any statistical fact, but it's something I'm curious about.

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