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Related: About this forumWhy I have frequently criticized Christianity but not Islam in my life:
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It is pretty simple actually: Because I grew up with the Christian beliefs. I was born a Catholic, later became a Protestant, later became an Agnostic.
When I criticize or even mock certain parts of the Christian beliefs, it is because I know what I am talking about. I know the religion and its institutions, and the beliefs are beliefs which I was born into and later rejected. They are beliefs I am deeply familiar with, because I used to hold them myself. I was a kid who got pissed off from seeing "Life of Brian". I feel like I own those beliefs as much as any believer. They are mine to criticize or make fun of.
With Islam (or Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism, Scientology, Ralienism...) it is different. Thinking about those will always be an intellectual exercise to me, but nothing more, since I did not grow up within their institutions. I may have a theoretical discussion about them, and criticize them, but to outright mock them will always feel like shitting on someone else's carpet to me.
rug
(82,333 posts)The less you know of something, the more foolish the criticism.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Criticism is one thing and you are certainly free to believe or not, but why mock those who see/feel differently (even if you have been on the inside)?
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)... that comes with the cynicism. If one has been "on the inside", sometimes it is the bruises which one obtained there that motivated one to go "to the outside". In any case, I don't generally mock people for their beliefs. But "mocking" the beliefs as is done for instance in "Life of Brian" I think is fine, particularly since, if done in a smart way, it addresses the very things that caused the bruises.
My grandpa told me this joke about Catholics the other day:
A person dies and goes to hell. Once he arrives he finds that the devil is actually a pretty cool guy, and there is lots of parties going on in hell. They walk around some and the person grows quite fond of hell. They have wild orgies and music and whatnot. Eventually they pass a heavy door with a window. Inside there are flames and people screaming in terror and agony. The person asks the devil: "Hey, what is that? I don' like that at all." The devil answers: "Oh, those are just the Catholics. That is what they want."
I think it is quite accurate. No one beats themselves up like (us) Catholics. Catholics are the biggest unworthy sinners in their own eyes. Yes, it is a stereotype, and yes, it is not always true, but it is a stereotype that exists for a reason. I know an (ex) Catholic or two who can testify of that.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Stereotypes are critical to comedy, but have to be handled carefully or they become bigotry.
Your ability to acknowledge that stereotypes don't reflect all members of a certain group would protect you from any such charge.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Mockery works. This didn't escape the Christians from the earliest days, see the Irenaeus "Adversus Haereses." It's enough to just read the chapter headings to get the gist.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)The text you reference appears to be a fundamentalist text used as a political tool.
Is that the OP's goal?
dimbear
(6,271 posts)The mocking mentions of some heresies are the only remaining records of those groups. The mockery is all that survived Theodosius's bonfires.
But to the point. Mockery educates, and educates painlessly. That's how it got under William Blake's skin.
"Mock on, mock on, Voltaire, Rousseau,
Mock on, mock on, tis all in vain.
You throw the sand against the wind
And the wind throws it back again."
He knew it wasn't in vain.