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Related: About this forumWhy Israel’s Religious Leaders Oppose Reform Judaism
by Andrew Apostolou
Oct 11, 2012 1:45 PM EDT
The fundamental problem between Israel and American Jews isnt the settlements, isnt the peace process, isnt Bibi and Obama, or any political issueits religion. Israels religious leaders, who have large constituencies at home and abroad, oppose Reform Judaism because it undermines Jewish identity and so weakens the Jewish people. Sephardic Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar recently reminded everybody of this, prompting outrage from Reform Jews, such as Uri Regev writing on Open Zion.
Reform Judaism in the U.S. claims to be committed to Jewish survival, but promotes the exact opposite. Reform rabbis conduct marriages between Jews and non-Jews, sometimes with non-Jewish clergy present. Most other branches of Judaism reject intermarriage as invalid because Jews can only marry other Jews. Around half of Reform rabbis now officiate at intermarriagesin theoretical defiance of their own movements rules. The most prominent example was when James Ponet, a Reform rabbi at Yale University, and Rev. William S. Shillady, a Methodist minister, jointly performed the wedding of Chelsea Clinton and Marc Mezvinsky in 2010.
For their part, many Reform Jews believe that they have addressed the intermarriage problem. Back in 1983, Reform Judaism recognized the Jewish identity of children of patrilineal descent. This supposedly means children with Jewish fathers and non-Jewish mothers are treated as fully Jewish (by contrast, traditional Judaism believes that Jewish identity passes through the mother). The decision to accept patrilineal children has apparently integrated thousands of young people who would otherwise have been considered not Jewish. Sympathetic demographers, such as Prof. Leonard Saxe at Brandeis University, claim that recognizing patrilineal descent turned intermarriage from an act of Jews rejecting their religion to one that is not necessarily a rejection of Jewish identity.
Unfortunately, this effort at Jewish integration has failed, in large part because Reform rabbis ignored their own guidelines. The actual Reform decision was conditional. It gave a presumption of Jewish descent that was to be established through appropriate and timely public and formal acts of identification with the Jewish faith and people. These conditions were often not applied. The result is that patrilineal children dont feel Jewish. As Clifford Librach, a Reform rabbi in Connecticut, has said, Most kids of mixed marriages are not embracing Jewish identity. Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg zl, a visionary among Jewish leaders, foresaw this problem and offered that Conservative Jews would accept patrilineal children if they were ready for formal conversion to Judaism by age of religious adulthood (13 for boys, 12 for girls). Sadly, his proposal was spurned and the patrilineal experiment failed.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/11/why-israel-s-religious-leaders-oppose-reform-judaism.html
Meshuga
(6,182 posts)Israel orthodox oppose Reform Judaism and every other movement they disagree with (including the conservative movement) because they are bigots. Let's cut the shit and call it for what it is.
Like every tired argument from orthodox leaders, the author ridiculously spins numbers and facts to make his dishonest arguments.
Yes, the US has 39% of the Jewish population but that is the biggest Jewish population than any country. Not to mention that the US is merely the very strong center of non-orthodox Judaism because if you include all world religious Jews, about 80% are non-orthodox Jews. If we get rid of non-orthodox Judaism you won't see these religious non-orthodox Jews joining orthodox Judaism. These people will likely lose their Jewish identity so they can still enjoy living in a free society where they are allowed to have dinner at a non-Jewish family's house, live among people of other religion (and people of no religion), and be citizens of countries they live in. In short, contrary to what this asshole is saying, Reform Judaism and all forms of non-orthodox Judaism do a great deal to keep Judaism alive regardless of interfaith marriages and the autonomy that Reform Judaism provides Jews to live a meaningful Jewish way of life as they see fit. As opposed to living a Jewish life as an idiot (who once claimed that 2004 the South Asian tsunami was god punishing the world for sins) prescribes to you.
The author of this article creates a false equivalency claiming that Rabbi Uri Regev is also using hate speech for merely pointing out the fact that Rabbi Amar has no authority over Jews (and note that the author ironically cannot bring himself to consider Rabbi Regev a legitimate rabbi). Rabbi Regev never questioned Rabbi Amar's status as a rabbi but it is a fact that Judaism does not have a vatican or a pope telling us what to do. The fact is that if "Chief" Rabbi Amar wants to tell Jews what to do he will likely see a lot of middle fingers waving at him.
Behind the Aegis
(53,966 posts)It gave me a headache just looking at it!
Meshuga
(6,182 posts)The article is too damn ridiculous. I didn't even know where to begin responding to it.
ButterflyBlood
(12,644 posts)Near the middle he basically goes off on how awful Reform Judaism is because children raised in a Reform household are likely to...marry non-Jews! Oh the horror!
Meshuga
(6,182 posts)...are all the usual arguments. The author tried to mask it a little bit to seem fair but he couldn't do it for too long.
rug
(82,333 posts)It prompted me to look up Beinart.
Apparently, politically he is DLC and religiously, Orthodox. I expect this has formed his views.
I checked the reviews of his last book, The Crisis of Zionism. It looks like it received a polarizing response, although Bill Clinton supports it.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/bill-clinton-israel-critic
Thanks for the critique. I have to learn more about this.
ButterflyBlood
(12,644 posts)Israel doesn't recognize civil marriages, only religious ones. And its Reform-rejecting Orthodox religious leaders won't recognize the marriage of a Jew and a non-Jew. Meaning that even though Israel has a sizable Muslim and Christian population (who are even Israeli citizens), they are basically restricted to only marrying in their communities, and mixed marriages are effectively prohibited.
...but it gets even worse as the article notes. The religious leaders in Israel won't even recognize someone as a Jew unless they have pure Jewish ancestry by their standards (racial purity, sounds a little familiar? Ironic, I know.) and as noted above they do not recognize patrilineal lineage. In some cases people have been denied recognition of a Jew because it was discovered they had a non-Jewish ancestor a century or two ago. These people can keep their citizenship if they already have it, but are therefore prohibited from marrying "true" Jews.
There is a loophole: Israel does recognize marriages from abroad, and thus Cyprus is a common destination for "marriage tourists" from Israel that reason. However even then any children resulting from that marriage are held to the same standard. If you have a man who is 100% Jewish marrying someone who a woman who is 255/256 Jewish out of the country, then their children will never be considered "true" Jews and would face the same discrimination and restrictions when they opted to be married. It was actually a Jew who explained this to me. Yeah it's fucking ugly, and there's no doubt the vast majority of American Jews would be disgusted if they were familiar with it as well.
Meshuga
(6,182 posts)But I disagree that "race purity" enters the equation since there is no such thing as "the Jewish race."
According to Jewish Law (and the orthodox follow Halacha as they see it) a person is Jewish because he/she was born of a Jewish mother. So, in the marriage laws, a son of a non-Jewish mother is not considered Jewish. Consequently, the child of this marriage cannot marry a Jew according to Halacha unless this person converts to judaism. However, a child of a non-Jewish father and a Jewish mother is considered 100% Jewish according to Halacha.
The issue is that Israel is a Jewish state rather than an orthodox Jewish state. A Jewish state represents the Jewish people which includes Jews of various religious movements, secular Jews, atheist Jews, etc.
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)Israel's religious leaders (or rather, the more right-wing ones; it's hardly ALL their religious leaders even if Apostolou would like that to be the case) oppose Reform Judaism for exactly the same sorts of reasons that Pat Robertson opposes liberal Christians. Because they are right-wing bigots, who are misusing religion in the cause of right-wing and bigoted politics, that's why.
As regards Apostolou himself, he's basically a nut. Here he was in 2005, complaining that our Tories in the UK aren't sufficiently subordinate to the Republicans!
http://www.ideasinactiontv.com/tcs_daily/2005/05/how-britains-conservatives-have-undermined-the-atlantic-alliance.html
rug
(82,333 posts)And Freedom House.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_House
Looks like old school neoliberals.