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Tweet from Ricky Gervais (Original Post) edhopper Oct 2012 OP
Kicking! onager Oct 2012 #1
As I recall, there were millions of intellectuals killed humblebum Oct 2012 #2
Not in the shooting of the schollgirl edhopper Oct 2012 #8
Was religion the cause, or was it religious fanaticism? humblebum Oct 2012 #11
Your use of athiesm is a non sequitor edhopper Oct 2012 #13
You are trying to dodge the fact that in all cases listed, fanaticism was the common factor. humblebum Oct 2012 #21
You win edhopper Oct 2012 #27
Fanatical people drive other fanatical people to commit atrocities. humblebum Oct 2012 #28
it hasnt happened "in the name of atheism" as.far as i can recall. Bradical79 Oct 2012 #35
Then I guess you cannot recall very far. humblebum Oct 2012 #40
Anthropomorphizing science is quite scientific. rug Oct 2012 #3
So those that like science can't ever use figurative language? Goblinmonger Oct 2012 #4
It's mocking yuppies while drinking a pumpkin latte. rug Oct 2012 #5
Agreed! Ironically, this type of superficial snark is a form of anti-intellectualism, IMO CrawlingChaos Oct 2012 #6
*yawn* mr blur Oct 2012 #7
It's a recycled meme because science always disproves religion _ed_ Oct 2012 #9
Can you name an experiment that ever set out to do that? rug Oct 2012 #10
Are you serious? _ed_ Oct 2012 #12
The Church believed that edhopper Oct 2012 #14
I can't speak for the Mormons but that's not Catholic teaching. rug Oct 2012 #15
Yeah, that's some pretty fancy dance steppin' Goblinmonger Oct 2012 #16
Your posturing aside, you've proven the point. rug Oct 2012 #18
Your are saying the edhopper Oct 2012 #17
No. I'm saying he, and evidently you, do not understand what it is. rug Oct 2012 #19
And ever was edhopper Oct 2012 #20
In 748 CE, Pope Saint Zachary declared belief in the antipodes to be heresy. dimbear Oct 2012 #22
On Christmas Day 800 Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne as first Holy Roman Emperor. rug Oct 2012 #24
Meme? Gervais is a comedian. onager Oct 2012 #23
Yes, meme. rug Oct 2012 #25
Oh, you mean meme Goblinmonger Oct 2012 #26
No, I mean meme, as in internet fads attracting people to lame sloagans rather than thought. rug Oct 2012 #29
Someone repeating something doesn't a meme make. Goblinmonger Oct 2012 #30
No, it takes a gaggle of high fivers too. rug Oct 2012 #31
Nope that's not what goes into the making of a meme. Goblinmonger Oct 2012 #32
There are worse things, things that end up in PPRs. rug Oct 2012 #33
I was still talking about you not understanding a meme. Goblinmonger Oct 2012 #34
Sure you were. rug Oct 2012 #36
Hmmmm, title of reply 32: Goblinmonger Oct 2012 #37
Body of reply 32: rug Oct 2012 #38
So, back to the point, how is one comedian Goblinmonger Oct 2012 #39
Excellent! Iggo Oct 2012 #41
 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
2. As I recall, there were millions of intellectuals killed
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:15 PM
Oct 2012

by atheistic communists in the 20th century. So, since religion was not a factor in those events, could it be that fanaticism was to blame and not religion?

edhopper

(33,619 posts)
8. Not in the shooting of the schollgirl
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:31 AM
Oct 2012

she was explicitly shot for violating their religious dogma.

So I don't see the analogy with communist as valid.

But you trot this out every time, so.....

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
11. Was religion the cause, or was it religious fanaticism?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:54 AM
Oct 2012

Was atheistic communism the cause of killing so many intellectuals or was it fanaticism?

Did white people murder so many blacks or was it fanatical white racists?

Yes, there is an analogy to be made here.

Was it an atheist who shot Gabby Giffords or was it a fanatic?


edhopper

(33,619 posts)
13. Your use of athiesm is a non sequitor
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:06 PM
Oct 2012

The Taliban's fanaticism Is religion. It was their religious belief that was the sole reason for their actions.

You might as well said red head communists.

The atheist adjective is superfluous.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
21. You are trying to dodge the fact that in all cases listed, fanaticism was the common factor.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:41 PM
Oct 2012

And yes there have been many incidents of atheistic fanaticism, too. You are constantly rationalizing anything to validate your anti-religious blather. To say that religion equates to shooting little girls in the head is beyond ridiculous.

edhopper

(33,619 posts)
27. You win
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:25 AM
Oct 2012

throughout history, nobody has ever done anything bad because of their religious beliefs.
it is always some amorphous "fanaticism' about something else. Atheism, on the other hand, drives people to commit atrocities.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
28. Fanatical people drive other fanatical people to commit atrocities.
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:33 AM
Oct 2012

It has happened in the name of religion, and in the name of atheism, and in the name of any number of other causes. But to continue the assertion that religion in itself causes little girls to be shot is ridiculous and to insinuate such is to perpetuate such a biased mindset, and to maybe even lead to more fanaticism.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
40. Then I guess you cannot recall very far.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:38 AM
Oct 2012

The League of Militant Atheists didn't do what they did in the name of Santa Claus.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
3. Anthropomorphizing science is quite scientific.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:19 PM
Oct 2012

You do know this is a recycled meme. Last used for the Mars landing. Not that Ricky is frequently original.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
4. So those that like science can't ever use figurative language?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:40 PM
Oct 2012

Seems like a weird standard.

And Ricky is pretty damned funny. And I'm sure he doesn't care that you don't care for him.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
5. It's mocking yuppies while drinking a pumpkin latte.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 11:47 PM
Oct 2012

Did anyone mention anything about caring about Ricky not caring about comments made about Ricky's comments?

Is there some concern I should show?

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
6. Agreed! Ironically, this type of superficial snark is a form of anti-intellectualism, IMO
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:29 AM
Oct 2012

The fact that he recycled the same idiotic tweet gives us a significant clue to the intellectual depths of Gervais.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
10. Can you name an experiment that ever set out to do that?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:56 AM
Oct 2012

And the name of the group that funded it?

I'd like to put them in touch with a fellow from Nigeria.

_ed_

(1,734 posts)
12. Are you serious?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:57 AM
Oct 2012

OK...
Mormons believe that Native Americans are descendants of ancient Hebrews. DNA disproves this.

Catholics believe in transubstantiation. Chemical analysis proves that it's just wine and bread.

Should I keep going?

edhopper

(33,619 posts)
14. The Church believed that
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:19 PM
Oct 2012

the Earth was the center of the Universe.
Galileo disproved that.

It also believed that God created all the animals as they are.
Darwin disproved that.

Many believes thought the Shroud of Turan was the burial cloth of Jesus.
Science disproved that.


Please proceed....

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
15. I can't speak for the Mormons but that's not Catholic teaching.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:41 PM
Oct 2012

It doesn't teach that the bread and wine chemically change.

Keep going.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
16. Yeah, that's some pretty fancy dance steppin'
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 04:42 PM
Oct 2012

by the Council of Trent dance team to come up with the "accident" and "substance" bullshit. Aristotle would have laughed them out of the room.

But, yeah, you go ahead an keep going.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
18. Your posturing aside, you've proven the point.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:42 PM
Oct 2012

You cannot design a scientific experiment to disprove a philosophical concept.

QED.

Keep going.

edhopper

(33,619 posts)
17. Your are saying the
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:36 PM
Oct 2012

Catholic Church never said that transubstantiation was real/

Please proceed....

edhopper

(33,619 posts)
20. And ever was
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:58 PM
Oct 2012

world without end.

Because the church has always taught the same thing throughout it's time.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
22. In 748 CE, Pope Saint Zachary declared belief in the antipodes to be heresy.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:57 PM
Oct 2012

Later scientific experiments, such as the discovery of America, put Zachary to the test. This did not deter some folk going to the stake in the interim for that particular heresy.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
24. On Christmas Day 800 Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne as first Holy Roman Emperor.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:02 PM
Oct 2012

Neither antipodes nor medieval coronations is the competent domain of religion.

onager

(9,356 posts)
23. Meme? Gervais is a comedian.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:58 PM
Oct 2012

So it's more like a "bit" or "routine."

Good to see you being influenced by the best, though:

The word meme...was coined by the British evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins in The Selfish Gene (1976).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme

Example of another routine that the comedian often recycled, Lenny Bruce's "Christ & Moses." It also got Bruce arrested for blasphemy. Yes, in the United States. In the late 20th century:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=X-J4O-6hANU#t=55s





 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
26. Oh, you mean meme
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 12:16 AM
Oct 2012

Last edited Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:07 PM - Edit history (1)

like "our religion has a savior that was born of a virgin, died, and rose again"?

Christianity, the original meme!

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
30. Someone repeating something doesn't a meme make.
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:08 PM
Oct 2012

But if we are going to fault copying, then, again, I'd like to take a look and mock others for copying. Like, for instance, the RCC.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
32. Nope that's not what goes into the making of a meme.
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:39 PM
Oct 2012

Keep trying to show you are internet savvy. The fact that you didn't know hotlinking to someone else's account is a very uncool thing to do made it clear that your aren't. And there's nothing wrong with that, but just stop acting like you are.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
33. There are worse things, things that end up in PPRs.
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:41 PM
Oct 2012

Since you obviously are changing the subject, go object again to that PPR.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
34. I was still talking about you not understanding a meme.
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:55 PM
Oct 2012

Go ahead and try the hotlink to someone's account out on a less controlled Internet site and let me know what happens.

Are you finally giving up the meme statement or do we need to keep going with the fact you don't understand it like you think you do.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
36. Sure you were.
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:49 PM
Oct 2012

Go try your coy obliqueness on another site or IRL and tell me what happens.

Pathetic.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
37. Hmmmm, title of reply 32:
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:21 PM
Oct 2012
32. Nope that's not what goes into the making of a meme.


Yeah, I wasn't talking about your misunderstanding of a meme.
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
38. Body of reply 32:
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:25 PM
Oct 2012
Keep trying to show you are internet savvy. The fact that you didn't know hotlinking to someone else's account is a very uncool thing to do made it clear that your aren't. And there's nothing wrong with that, but just stop acting like you are.


That must still smart.

I repeat, pathetic.
 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
39. So, back to the point, how is one comedian
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:24 AM
Oct 2012

riffing on another person's joke a meme?

(Hint: it isn't)

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