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Related: About this forumBoy, 11, banned from joining Scouts for not believing in God
Thursday, October 18, 2012
Somerset Guardian
An 11-year-old Midsomer Norton boy has been banned from joining his local Scout troop because he says he does not believe in God.
Because of his strong views, George Pratt said he is not able to make the Scout Promise which requires Scouts to promise to do their duty to God and the Queen.
This means that as George is not able to be invested as a full Scout he can no longer attend the group which meets opposite his home.
George had been going to Scouts for ten months when he was asked whether he wanted to be invested in the group, and his strong stand came to light when he and Scout leaders were discussing the Scout law and promise.
http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/Boy-11-banned-joining-Scouts-believing-God/story-17108540-detail/story.html
Stand your ground, George.
MgtPA
(1,022 posts)At some point between when I was a GS and my daughter became a GS, the GS Promise was changed to include an asterisk next to the word "God*"' adding the disclaimer: "* The word "God" can be interpreted in a number of ways, depending on one's spiritual beliefs. When reciting the Girl Scout Promise, it is okay to replace the word "God" with whatever word your spiritual beliefs dictate."
Silent3
(15,219 posts)Perhaps the Girl Scouts are better than the Boy Scouts on this issue, but they're hardly where I'd want them to be.
MgtPA
(1,022 posts)those are your spiritual beliefs. In any event, the GS is a huge tent embracing all girls regardless of race, religion, sexual preference, or gender identity. It's all about empowering girls.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Good for the GS.
Meshuga
(6,182 posts)What a shocker!
dmallind
(10,437 posts)It's a religious group. Its oaths demand affirmation of a single deity. If you can't make those oaths, don't join. Now if the Constitution weren't toilet paper for the religious supermajority, this should mean that the BSA could receive no benefit from the state, as by definition that would run afoul of the Lemon test; alas we do not live in a world where the supermajority applies those restrictions to itself.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)The Principles of Scouting are Duty to Self; Duty to Others; and Duty to God. We believe that the world is a better place when people are trustworthy, self-controlled and self-confident; work together to serve other people and to improve society; show responsibility for the natural world and proper respect for possessions and property; have self respect and respect for others; and have an active religious faith.
and
No young person should receive less favourable
treatment on the basis of, nor suffer disadvantage
by reason of:
...
political or religious belief.
All Members of the Movement should seek to
practise that equality, especially in promoting
access to Scouting for young people in all parts of
society.
...
No person volunteering their services should
receive less favourable treatment on the basis of,
nor suffer disadvantage by reason of:
...
political or religious belief.
It seems to me their rules should mean someone non-religious should be admitted, even if they think it's better if people have a religion.
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)E_Pluribus_Unitarian
(178 posts)Twenty nine chapters and counting.
http://navigatorsusa.ning.com/page/history-1
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I wonder if this kid has any similar alternatives.