If they can tell us we're going to Hell for not believing their made-up stories, we can call them on their s@#$.

The points made by the ad are true. I would suspect that right-wing conservatives and republicans won't be overly bothered. Religious christian conservatives already have issues with mormons and it's not those two points. I fail to see how an attack on a candidates religion--and not the candidate's own record-- is going to be helpful to Democrats and Obama supporters. So basically, the ad is more about atheists condemning mormonism than anything else and worse, it feeds into the let's all hate the mormons theme.

religious beliefs, there has been a concerted effort to convince fundamentalists that Mormonism is just like the religion they embrace.

It's not, imo, and messages that point that out may be useful for us.

OTOH, fundamentalists aren't exactly known for their liberal views on GLBT civil rights or race, so I'm not really sure who this targets.

I have no problem with the ad or what it says. As a religious liberal, it rings true to me. But I don't think it's targeting me or people like me. Maybe it is, though.

NOT A SINGLE WOMAN IN LEADERSHIP POSITION

People concerned about equality for blacks and gays are already voting against Mitt anyway, natch.

If they wanted to change opinions it would have been better to find examples that are different from those held by most of his partisans, especially those who care about his religion.

Tell the fundies about the Mormon view of Satan, or about Kolob, or about post-mortem baptism of non-Mormons including Christians. Things that might actually make a difference here and there. Basically saying "Hey these bozos are racist homophobes just like you lot" usn't going to turn anyone away.

not how it is the same.

That thing in Florida is going to be a squeaker. At least maybe.

It will balance out their goofy belief that President Obama is a 'muslin.'

"Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim" one wonders?

*Leakey Texas, Church of the Valley

win votes, IMHO.

I'm sure blacks pointing out bigotry inspires racists to support the bigot.

I'm sure gays pointing out bigotry inspires homophobes to support the bigot.

Why should atheists not expect the same from Christianists - it's the established routine after all?

bigoted group in this case? After all, this is not an overtly anti-atheist advertisement.

All the groups involved have some degree of a public image problem. American Atheists is definitely one of those groups.

Your back-handed attempt to put the American Atheists in the same camp as the Mormons is just ridiculous. The overt bigotry of the Mormon church and their ability to sway public policy in that regard is by FAR the greater evil here. The bigotry of the fundamentalist Christians is so far beyond anything you could possibly say about the AA.

But, hey, just keep beating that drum about how shitty atheist groups are. It never gets old.

There are many things getting a little old around here. And actions like the one that you are endorsing are among them.

You have beaten the drum endlessly about how horrible it is when atheists organize. You constantly want to say that current American atheist organizations could easily become Stalin if they are left unchecked.

Don't piss in my ear now and tell me that you are just reflecting what society things. YOU are the reason the polls are the way they are. YOUR attitude toward atheists is reflected in what the U of Minn found in their study.

That you are now trying to equate the actions and attitudes of American Atheists with that of the Mormon leadership and fundamentalist Christians is beyond the pale. And that you are trying to deflect the fact that those really are your attitudes is just flat out bullshit.

Your attack is personal and ripe with unsubstantiated accusations.

One only needs to take a look at the list of threads to see where most of the criticism is being directed. I'll stand by my opinion, thank you.

I'd appreciate your posting the results.

And if a jury doesn't know that you have a LONG history of making the claims I pointed out you made, then I'll take the hit to not be able to continue posting in this thread just so that those reading along who DO know you and your ways can see that at least this level of bullshit is not going to go unchecked.

You seem to have a problem with alternative opinions.

and see where the "criticism is being directed."

concerning the advertisement.

Nothing ever changes in this forum.

Atheists criticize a religion that would just as soon wipe them off the face of the earth and religionists complain that we're persecuting them.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Why limit the "synopsis" to the first 10?

"Lather, rinse, repeat."

They have both demonstrated a tendency toward tolerance and that is what is very much needed here.

and it doesn't support your claim, but you're going to stick by your opinion. Congrats on that.

with the original argument.

Secondly, it is your spin on your chosen top 20, although they are really the 20 most currently active threads, not the top 20.

I looked at the 20 most active posts in the Group. That seems to be a pretty good sample to decide, if as you were indicated, the general trend of what happens in the Group is to bash religion.

Why don't you go ahead and do an analysis of what is down on the 2nd and 3rd page of the Group.

But still a huge red herring designed to deflect from the larger argument.

were created by rug and cbayer. Good luck convincing anyone that those are "largely anti-religious."

Keep digging.

deserve credit for doing so. So let's go with the entirety of the threads, as I suggested. For instance, this one and the many by those that share your POV who regularly post here.

And you are still using the red herring.

This thread is not about my POV. If anything it is about those that are tut-tutting the evil atheists. Which you did. Which started this subthread.

I don't think you understand what a red herring is.

How touching.

Because we're just that powerful.