Religion can only exist with an abundance of closed minds. It has attacked scientists, artists, and creative thinking since the beginning of time. The guy who discovered fire was probably thrown right on top of it by a group who thought he was evil.

While there is some truth buried beneath your broad brush painting of religion, your generalizations are not valid.

The only truth buried is that organized religion is a destructive force. Always has been and always will be.

in promoting social justice and working for the neediest among us?

We could talk about MLK to start with.

I had the great fortune of traveling to Kenya this year and was able to witness the work that religious organizations are doing to support and spread the necessary science to treat women and children with AIDS.

If you haven't yet, please watch "Half the Sky", the PBS documentary on women and girls around the world. Some of the worst atrocities in the world are aimed directly at women and girls, and many are being addressed by religious organizations using science to back up their positions.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

which is why the movement fell apart when he died. The only thing that happened was all those who were close to him used his name to catapult themselves to fame and riches. Everyone of them is living large now.

"religious organizations using science to back up their positions."

In other words they are using religion to back up their business model of continuing to raise money and profit off the misery of people.

Who? His wife?

You are seriously rewriting history, but I fear you are not going to be receptive to any perspective that does not coincide with your own very dogmatic interpretation, so I will bid you farewell.

Resource management depends on the exercise if power. Government is the tool used to achieve those ends. The exercise of governmental power through religion has been, well, less than humane.

groups, including evangelicals. They see taking care of the earth as a religious responsibility.

Could be powerful allies and should not be dismissed, imo.

It may be acquired justly from those who have more for those who have less. Or it can be used to profit those who insinuate themselves into the acquisition process.

I'm not aware of any sociocultural tools to keep those who are willing to profit from the political process from doing so to excess. When religion becomes a lobbying organization it's just another lobbying organization.

I am tired of this pretense that it is anything else.

It may be based on your personal experience, but it is not based in fact.

Wars and suffering have been promoted in the name of religion. It is has been the enemy of progressive thinking.

They are now fighting over the Gaza Strip again because supposedly each side has some divine right to the land. Really, land rights from the Bible?

other goals, some of them honorable?

all of which depend on the motivations of those using them.

I'm not aware of any mechanism within religion that has been successful in moderating the motivations of the faithful for long. Religion doesn't elect a new God every four years. There is no seperation of powers in religious practice. Most religions are designed to accrue increasingly devoted followers by trading on their emotions while simultaneously discounting rational inquiry about the efficacy of doctrine.

Reform is little more than (often bloody) seperation into new equally fanatical groups. There don't seem to be any checks and balances in religious practice.

While I do not disagree with what you say, many are exercising their freedom to leave. Hence the rise of the nones. My guess is that we will see increasingly numbers of unaffiliated churhes that focus more on community and community service.

Those who have the power in those organizations would be wise to use it carefully and thoughtfully, because this group may walk away again.

When we conflate religious loyalty with national identity, the freedom to leave becomes one of the casualties. When religion becomes powerful enough to compel environmental responsibility, (by defeating some very wealthy and powerful political enemies), the victor will hold the spoils. Do you know any single human, much less an entire organization, virtuous enough to simply give it away? Especially if they are supported by the imprimatur of God?

But as long as there are individuals and organizations trying to do the right thing, I will support them. Being vigilant about how they are managing the spoils is not always easy, but it can be done... I hope.

as long as you know when to bail. Render unto Caesar and all that.

So... it's religion that needs to come to science.... not the other way around. Or even half way. The religious side must adopt the scientific method and its conclusions to do anything about ...well anything.

Science is the adult in this equation.

Ethics is important in any discipline. However, the unstated premise here is one which non-believers hear all the time, that ethical behavior is dependent on belief in a god or gods. It never fails to come up in any discussion between theist and non-theist, always brought up by the theist.

Also prevalent is the thought that science and religion are somehow against each other. I find myself able to argue either side of this. But one thing is certain. When a pastor preaches against a specific science, they are nearly universally wrong.

But this also gets entangled with ethics. Is it ethical to search for the Higgs field at CERN? Is it ethical to design a nuclear weapon? Most scientists would align with most people on these questions which merely states the obvious. Scientists are people, too.

My bottom line here is that any claim to truth had better be backed up by data, by evidence. And any claim to an ethical principle better damned well be based in a non-exclusionary basis. In other words, claims that only my religious beliefs are ethical are cut off from the outset.

If there's one thing I despise about religion it is that claim.

Thanks for another great post.

on or comes solely from religion.

But for those that do get their ethic from religion, it seems like a good idea to support efforts that they make that are aligned with our shared goals.

The "one way" attitude is very offensive, I agree. But (poke, poke), I find it equally offensive when held by believers or non-believers.

Ethics is deeply rooted in our genes, I think. We see it in our other primate cousins as well as even mammalian cousins. These traits evolved with humans and undoubtedly go way back.

I don't wish to get into a discussion on evolutionary psychology -- I am uniquely unqualified to discuss it -- but this at least seems to be a logical explanation on the origins of ethical behavior. There are those (Steven Pinker) who might argue such.

animals have feelings and/or ethics.

In one fascinating study, they show how animals (rats and monkeys) will go out of their way to help another out of a tough situation, even if it means they risk something they want (like food). They also showed studies in which animals will share, even when there is not enough for two.

I live in a coastal CA town, ~ 12 miles from the Pacific. The creek that runs through town eventually meanders its way to the sea. It was an essential part of the ecosystem that supported steel head trout runs. Steel heads spawn up creek in fresh water pools and migrate to the ocean. Eventually they return to the fresh water pools to lay eggs for another generation.

Over the years degradation of the creek and its watershed pushed out the steel heads. They were gone. Invasive non-native plant species, trash, silt buildup, various man-made encroachments along the creek rendered it inhabitable.

A tireless city employee - Natural Resources Manager, or some such - went to work building a coalition to "save the creek". He knew how to bridge differences to bring together diverse groups to meet the goal. And, importantly, how to speak to the strengths of each group in the project.

Horticulturists, Marine biologists, Environmental specialists and other science based groups were recruited from the local technical university. Their technical knowledge was key to getting it right.

Faith based groups were encouraged to join in. Their commitment to stewardship was another key component. As were local non-religious civic groups. All showed up.

County government was brought in for added financial support and coordination with federal authorities (technically any creek that runs to the sea is under some federal oversight). Their buy-in was critical.

Business support was elicited as a part of being a good community partner as well as the enhancement of increased tourism dollars the project could provide. They played a part.

School groups were formed to help. Local individuals joined in, individually. Etc, etc.

It took a while. But eventually, the creek was again a gem. And today I can walk downtown along various creek walks built as part of the project and watch steel heads swim upstream to their home pools.

My point, in the bigger picture: This was clearly a local deal. But the process is doable on a larger scale, imo. Both as a broad approach to climate change environmental issues and as a practical blueprint for building effective coalitions.

Thanks for the post, good piece.

Thanks for sharing this and thank you for all the work you do, my friend.

but that religion needs to accept the conclusions of science - something it has long had difficulties doing.

The point of view of religion has always been that science is fine as long as it doesn't disagree with religious doctrine, but when it does, science has to ignore the evidence and fall in line with faith. At least until the claims of religious doctrine become so embarrassingly idiotic that religionists can no longer repeat them with a straight and shameless face. And sometimes not even then.

and that they're asking science to come along for the ride, when it's just the opposite. As usual, religion is late to the party of doing what's right, and as usual, you're determined to give them far more credit than they deserve.

If they ramp up to the level of carbon usage we enjoy, the world is toast, so we should probably wonder whether Hinduism and atheism are likely to exercise the needed self denial.

Not so clear. Record so far: horrific.