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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:50 PM Jan 2013

Religion may not survive the Internet - link added (sorry about that)

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/16/religion_may_not_survive_the_internet/

WEDNESDAY, JAN 16, 2013 08:30 AM PST

There's a reason churches are struggling to maintain membership, and it has nothing to do with Neil deGrasse Tyson

BY VALERIE TARICO, ALTERNET

As we head into a new year, the guardians of traditional religion are ramping up efforts to keep their flocks—or, in crass economic terms, to retain market share. Some Christians have turned to soul searching while others have turned to marketing. Last fall, the LDS church spent millions on billboards, bus banners, and Facebook ads touting “I’m a Mormon.” In Canada, the Catholic Church has launched a “Come Home” marketing campaign. The Southern Baptists Convention voted to rebrand themselves. A hipster mega-church in Seattle combines smart advertising with sales force training for members and a strategy the Catholics have emphasized for centuries: competitive breeding.

In October of 2012 the Pew Research Center announced that for the first time ever Protestant Christians had fallen below 50 percent of the American population. Atheists cheered and evangelicals beat their breasts and lamented the end of the world as we know it. Historian of religion, Molly Worthen, has since offered big picture insights that may dampen the most extreme hopes and fears. Anthropologist Jennifer James, on the other hand, has called fundamentalism the “death rattle” of the Abrahamic traditions.

In all of the frenzy, few seem to give any recognition to the player that I see as the primary hero, or, if you prefer, culprit—and I’m not talking about science populizer and atheist superstar Neil deGrasse Tyson. Then again, maybe Iam talking about Tyson in a sense, because in his various viral guises—as a talk show host and tweeter and as the face on scores of smartass Facebook memes—Tyson is an incarnation of the biggest threat that organized religion has ever faced: the internet.

A traditional religion, one built on “right belief,” requires a closed information system. That is why the Catholic Church put an official seal of approval on some ancient texts and banned or burned others. It is why some Bible-believing Christians are forbidden to marry nonbelievers. It is why Quiverfull moms home school their kids from carefully screened text books. It is why, when you get sucked into conversations with your fundamentalist uncle George from Florida, you sometimes wonder if he has some superpower that allows him to magically close down all avenues into his mind. (He does!)

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Religion may not survive the Internet - link added (sorry about that) (Original Post) cbayer Jan 2013 OP
I guess the last eight true believers with just have to build a spaceship Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #1
Guess you didn't mind the missing link. cbayer Jan 2013 #4
Link, s'il vous plait. nt longship Jan 2013 #2
Link please? I would like to read the whole thing. rurallib Jan 2013 #3
I thought this was interesting Fumesucker Jan 2013 #5
He has been talking about the need to develop a new language for awhile now. cbayer Jan 2013 #6
i agree we have more in common than not. Phillip McCleod Jan 2013 #7
Thanks for the Link--it's a very good article.... Moonwalk Jan 2013 #8
Agree with much of what you say. cbayer Jan 2013 #9

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
1. I guess the last eight true believers with just have to build a spaceship
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:02 PM
Jan 2013

and find a new planet before their god destroys this planet like he did before

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
5. I thought this was interesting
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jan 2013
The Dalai Lama, who has lead interspiritual dialogue for many years made waves recently by saying as much: “All the world’s major religions, with their emphasis on love, compassion, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness can and do promote inner values. But the reality of the world today is that grounding ethics in religion is no longer adequate. This is why I am increasingly convinced that the time has come to find a way of thinking about spirituality and ethics beyond religion altogether.”

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
6. He has been talking about the need to develop a new language for awhile now.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:40 PM
Jan 2013

He seems to think that the terms we use now are too simplistic and do not embrace the "spiritual but not religious" demographic.

I agree with him to some extent. I think most people have more in common than they do differences and their religious affiliation or lack of affiliation often has nothing to do with it.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
7. i agree we have more in common than not.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:56 PM
Jan 2013

seems worth noticing that 99% of everyone is being peaceful 99% of the time. its the outbursts of violence and anger that account for the remainder, still too many of those but the point is we are basically peaceful creatures. sedentary really.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
8. Thanks for the Link--it's a very good article....
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:15 PM
Jan 2013

...and I think it's very right in that the internet has given secularism a power it never had before. Not twenty years ago organized religions still held most of the cards, churches, temples, etc. being the traditional and primary places where communities found social, psychological, cultural and world views; contradictory information, doubts or arguments either didn't enter into such places or were crushed. Now when someone has doubts or questions that were traditionally shut down, the internet offers them a way to explore them--and meet others who might have had the same thoughts.

However, I think the one thing that the article ignores is that the internet can and does do the opposite. It offers up new religious views and ideas that were also stifled by the dominance of established churches, giving them more equal footing to the institutionalized religions. That which validates feelings and intuition still holds, I think, more sway over people than facts. So, once again, the idea that the Internet could spell the "end of religion" is, I think, premature.

What I think is true is that the internet is undermining the power of old, established religions to dominate the conversation on topics of values, morals, who and what we are, our place in the universe, etc. It gives dissenting views, whatever those may be, equal footing with the powerhouses like never before. It will be interesting to see how this changes the religious landscape in the long run.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
9. Agree with much of what you say.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 09:18 PM
Jan 2013

As opposed to killing off religion, I think it will modify it, which is not necessarily a bad thing at all.

More options, more diversity, a fairer playing field.

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