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rug

(82,333 posts)
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 06:51 PM Jan 2012

Geert Wilders Says There's No Such Thing as Moderate Islam

Can't Someone Tell Geert Wilders to Stop His Anti-Muslim Diatribes Before Somebody Gets Hurt?

Jan 16, 2012 12:00 AM EST

A couple of years ago, a billboard appeared outside Columbia, S.C., looming above Interstate 26. Beady eyes stared out from a black balaclava emblazoned with an inscription from the Quran—clearly the eyes were meant to be those of a terrorist—and next to them were these words: “ISLAM RISING ... BE WARNED.”

Erected by the Virginia-based Christian Action Network, the sign advertised the group’s documentary about a charismatic Dutch politician with dyed-blond hair, a mysterious past, and a platform of paranoid hate. South Carolina seemed to offer a ready audience for Geert Wilders’s dire warnings against the Muslim religion. Today, with the Republican road show encamped in the state for the Jan. 21 presidential primary, the 48-year-old Dutchman is more than ever a man who needs to be watched and listened to carefully. At home in the Netherlands, his explosive theme of unrelenting hostility to Islam has built his xenophobic Party for Freedom, founded in 2005, into the country’s third-largest political party; across the Atlantic his message packs serious resonance in an American heartland still shaken by the 9/11 attacks. Wilders’s name and message have been invoked repeatedly in South Carolina and at least a dozen other state legislatures as they debate measures to ban an imagined threat: Islamic law.

So does he worry about the violence his rants could inspire? Wilders is a master at capitalizing on real fears and conjuring false ones—and then dodging responsibility if people’s lives are ruined or lost. “I am responsible for my own actions and for nobody else’s actions,” he says. In a wide-ranging interview at the offices of the Dutch Parliament in The Hague, Wilders complained to Newsweek that the “naive” Obama administration wasn’t doing nearly enough to combat what Wilders regards as the Islamic threat. Expanding on his claims that the Quran should be banned, just as Mein Kampf has been in some countries, he said the United States should be “getting rid of Islamic symbols—no more mosques—and closing down Islamic schools.”

There’s no such thing as moderate Islam, Wilders insists, and he’s tired of hearing that radical Islam is something different from the mainstream faith. It means nothing to him that among Muslim believers there are many different sects and currents. “He makes no distinctions whatsoever,” says Robert Leiken, author of the just-published study Europe’s Angry Muslims. “He wants to throw out the whole Quran because of some things that are objectionable—but you could say the same thing about the Book of Joshua.” Wilders refuses to concede the point. In his view, those who follow the Quran are deluded or worse. “Totalitarian fascist ideology,” he calls it. “I have nothing against the people,” he says. “I have something against Islam.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/01/15/geert-wilders-says-there-s-no-such-thing-as-moderate-islam.html

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Geert Wilders Says There's No Such Thing as Moderate Islam (Original Post) rug Jan 2012 OP
He's right in the same sense that the Pope didn't say that gay marriage threatens humanity. laconicsax Jan 2012 #1
You are, of course, free to agree with a right wing demagogue. rug Jan 2012 #2
Who said I was agreeing with him? laconicsax Jan 2012 #4
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #5
Nice quote-mine. laconicsax Jan 2012 #6
You're arguing with your own strawman. rug Jan 2012 #7
There's no straw man here. laconicsax Jan 2012 #8
Wow, he is very bad news. cbayer Jan 2012 #3
Geert Wilders is a vile right-winger LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #9
As dumb as saying, "There's No Such Thing as Moderate Christianity" mr blur Jan 2012 #10
 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
1. He's right in the same sense that the Pope didn't say that gay marriage threatens humanity.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 08:54 PM
Jan 2012

There's no sect called "Moderate Islam." There's Sunni, Shi'a, and Sufism.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
4. Who said I was agreeing with him?
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 10:13 PM
Jan 2012

I was merely pointing out that his argument is correct in nearly the exact same way that Andrew Brown is right when he says that the Pope didn't say that gay marriage threatens humanity.

Since you posted Brown's piece and defended it, it would seem that you are more likely to be in agreement with the right wing demagogue whose words you posted without comment.

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laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
6. Nice quote-mine.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 10:34 PM
Jan 2012

You seem to have ignored the rest of the sentence: "...in the same sense that the Pope didn't say that gay marriage threatens humanity."

In case you forgot, you posted a piece claiming that, contrary to headlines, the Pope didn't say that gay marriage threatens humanity. The argument being that since he didn't say those exact words in sequence, he didn't say it. This argument is, of course, completely wrong.

Geert Wilders is correct in the exact same way--there's no sect of Islam called "moderate Islam." This argument is, as well, completely wrong. It's interesting that you agree with that line of reasoning in one instance, but not in another. I would have thought that your cognitions were more consistent than that.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
8. There's no straw man here.
Mon Jan 16, 2012, 10:43 PM
Jan 2012

I haven't misrepresented Brown's argument, I'm merely applying it to another instance of bigoted hate speech.

The big question is why you defended it when it was being used to defend homophobia, but don't think it applies to Islamophobic statements.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
10. As dumb as saying, "There's No Such Thing as Moderate Christianity"
Thu Jan 26, 2012, 07:21 PM
Jan 2012

It's the moderates who enable/legitimise the actions of the extremists.

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