Religion
Related: About this forumWhy are Religious people so fucking thoughtless? (Warning: Personal Rant!)
Some background, in the space of 4 months or so, I lost an Aunt(in October), the only Grandma I ever knew(December-buried in January), and my Mom(died January 18th). Now, I can't and won't say anything bad about the Deacon who presided over all 3 of their services, he was awesome, and his insertion of religion was expected. No, not him, not even the rest of the family, many are at least nominally Catholic(as were the ones who died), most cousins are Atheists of some sort or another, but its every fucking body else who is religious that bugs the fuck out of me.
Protip, if you start a conversation(and I'm repeating it verbatim) with "I know your an Atheist but what I believe...", just fucking stop, right there, my regard for you just plummeted to the floor, it couldn't go any lower without you digging a fucking hole, so just stop. I know, intellectually, that for many religious people, even those who know I'm an atheist(as the person who said the above knows), that saying my Mom, Grandma and Aunt are in a better place, etc. They think they are trying to comfort me, but it also seems to me that they are using those deaths to try to insert their beliefs into a time and place that it doesn't belong and isn't welcome, in a show of smug superiority. You know what, my Mom knew I was an atheist and she loved me and respected my beliefs, the LEAST I could expect from supposed friends and coworkers is at least that much consideration.
This is a classic example of Hitchen's idea that religion poisons EVERYTHING, and I do mean everything, even grief.
Part of what triggered this rant is that we are going to visit my fiancee's very religiously Catholic grandparents later today, and I really have to steel myself for their religious posturing. I can tolerate the whole "I'm sorry for your loss, is there anything I can do to help." as long as it ends there. I swear, if I hear another "I'll pray for you" from someone who knows better, I'll want to punch them in their fucking face. Frankly I think I'll respond with "No thank you, your God did quite enough."
At this point I'm teetering on the edge of theism, thinking a God exists, and I absolutely hate the fucker and want to drive an iron spike through his throat.
Oh, and the kicker? You'll love this, I promise, my Birthday was January 31, happy fucking birthday to me, right?
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Through this. It's horrible to be ladened with so much grief at once. I hope your friends can rally around you.
I'm also sorry there are so many rude and inconsiderate people who abuse an opportunity to show compassion.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)to be honest, I never knew we had so much support, especially the day my mom died, she had home hospice care, with me, my dad, and my fiancee taking care of her around the clock during her last days. My sister helped when she can, but she also has my year and a half old nephew to take care of so she couldn't always be there.
jollyreaper2112
(1,941 posts)The worst is going through a depression and being told Jesus is the only way to help.
rug
(82,333 posts)tama
(9,137 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)Happy belated birthday.
jaded_old_cynic
(190 posts)HA I'm so very sorry for your losses. Several years ago, I too went through a similar experience. I lost my father, my best friend, and my beloved husband. All within a relatively short span of time, and all to cancer.
I am also an atheist. And yes I was quite annoyed by some around me both family and friends inundating me with religiosity. I tolerated it as best I could until my mother, who while well meaning, was the one who said the words that set me off. My husband was on his death bed, I was overwrought with grief, and in her attempt to comfort me she said; "God has a plan". Now admittedly I wasn't out as an atheist at the time, but her saying what she did is what gave me the courage to come out.
I really wish that theists could understand that what may provide them with comfort, for some only serves to cause more pain. (I am speaking strictly for myself here.) Death is a serious matter and my personal feeling is that theists use their beliefs as a shield against the reality of its permanence. Not that I can blame them. We all have our coping mechanisms. I just choose to cope within the boundaries of reality.
It's hard after a certain point not to be confrontational, but try to keep a cool head. Unless they say something truly offensive then fire away.
Also sorry this happened so close to your birthday. Again I can relate. My husband passed less than a month before mine.
Peace.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Having all of that happen so close together is terrible. I hope you have the support you need to help you through this difficult time.
okasha
(11,573 posts)on your recent losses. I hope your visit to your prospective in-laws goes well.
EvilAL
(1,437 posts)of cancer back in '91 they got a priest to come in and give the last rights to him and the fucker kept calling him Wallace, his name wasn't Wallace. So there I was standing there with this priest constantly saying his name wrong as he said his bullshit to my dad, who never went to church and although he never said it, I think he thought it was a bunch of garbage like I did. So after about 3 or 4 times my mom finally says something like Who is Wallace? why do you keep referring to Wallace and the priest was like.. oh, what's his name? I wanted to kick him right in the face..
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Priests do not generally give last rites to non-catholics.
EvilAL
(1,437 posts)and my dad was technically a catholic.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)EvilAL
(1,437 posts)his sisters were very religious and it was due to pressure from other people that it HAD TO BE DONE.. We just wanted to let him live out his last hours/day in peace, then this fuck comes in and calls him the wrong name multiple times. Still pisses me off 20 years later..
Tigerinu
(4 posts)Sorry new to the site so this response is overdue some 3 years!?
All I can say is...'I Love You Man!!'
This hits my every thought!
You are so right! And I'm so sorry you have to go through 3 family members so close together.
All I know is I'm looking forward to catching up on more of your blogs!!
Tigerinu