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Related: About this forumPastor apologizes for role in prayer vigil after Connecticut massacre
Source: Reuters
NEW YORK | Wed Feb 6, 2013 9:19pm EST
(Reuters) - A Connecticut Lutheran pastor has apologized for participating in an interfaith prayer vigil for the 26 children and adults killed at a Newtown elementary school in December because his church bars its clergy from worshiping with other faiths.
The December prayer vigil was attended by President Barack Obama, leaders from Christian, Muslim and Jewish faiths, and relatives of the 20 first graders who were gunned down in their classrooms two days earlier after a gunman entered their school.
The December 14 shooting shook the nation and led to calls for improved school security, gun control and better mental health care.
The pastor, Rob Morris of Newtown's Christ the King Lutheran Church, provided the closing benediction at the interfaith event.
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ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)and have never considered them stupid...apparently the Lutheran church doctrine is stupid however..
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)is the more liberal wing of Lutheranism, and they are in communion with my church, the Episcopal Church. The Missori-Synod Lutheran Church is the more conservative branch of Lutheranism in America.
tanyev
(42,558 posts)My former church denomination.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)a Lutheran service and was struck to how close they were to the catholic service. My husband said their are like 2 different Lutheran groups. One is high and the other is low. There are some differences. Can any Lutheran tell me if that is true? I think that some are close to the catholic church and believe the body and blood of christ in the communion.
tanyev
(42,558 posts)Where the body and blood are more than just a symbol/remembrance, but not quite the complete transformation of Catholicism. From Wikipedia:
Luther explicitly rejected transubstantiation, believing that the bread and wine remained fully bread and fully wine while also being fully the body and blood of Jesus Christ. Luther instead emphasized the sacramental union (not exactly the consubstantiation, as it is often claimed). Lutherans believe that within the Eucharistic celebration the body and blood of Jesus Christ are objectively present "in, with, and under the forms" of bread and wine (cf. Book of Concord). They place great stress on Jesus' instructions to "take and eat", and "take and drink", holding that this is the proper, divinely ordained use of the sacrament, and, while giving it due reverence, scrupulously avoid any actions that might indicate or lead to superstition or unworthy fear of the sacrament.
As far as high and low, I'm not sure what that means any more. There are a lot of churches with very conservative beliefs that whoop it up every Sunday morning with praise teams, and I've found some wonderful liberal churches leading formal liturgies with a traditional choir and pipe organs.
Definitely ELCA = liberal Lutheranism, LCMS = very conservative Lutheranism, and WELS = Don't you dare pray with me unless you too are WELS. Looks like LCMS is headed that way, too.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)were very much alike the catholic services. So I would babysit when he would have his services in the church. To be honest I haven't seen any other types but am sure there are.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)if am not mistake they even called the preacher "Father" like in the catholic church.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)It's been over 50 years since I've been in a Lutheran Church....
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)One time there was this local pastor who wrote a really nasty letter to the editor about the Newtown shootings. Soon found out that the pastor was LCMS. So this doesn't surprise me at all.
longship
(40,416 posts)Did he think God really means Christian Mingle?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)The Missouri Synod is arch-conservative.
The ELCA, as I recall, is working toward full communion with the Episcopal Church, even to the point of co-consecrating Bishops to bring the Lutheran hierarchy into the apostolic succession. This branch is far more liberal, obviously.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I am glad to see the distinctions, as I always found Lutherans to be rather open, tolerant and liberal.
Thats my opinion
(2,001 posts)It is the Wisconsin synod--so narrow that in a Wisconsin winter they can wear one ear muff and keep both ears warm. What an embarrassment.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)I find rank hypocrisy to be an even bigger embarrassment. I guess you don't.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)But atheists who criticize beliefs will be branded bigoted, closed-minded fundamentalists.
The kicker is, folks like Charles will never see the double standard. But at least we get to point it out. No wonder non-belief continues to grow.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)But I could care less what Charles believes or how much hypocrisy he can wrap himself in. As you said, pointing it out, so that others that may only see one post from from him, are not fooled.
Deepak Chopra has more credibility, so that should tell all that is needed to know about his position.
okasha
(11,573 posts)just how cold that is. Here in South Texas, we'd have to adapt it. Maybe so narrow they could keep cool in the shade of a length of barbed wire.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)it's perfectly fine for you to criticize (and even insult!) believers when you're not in their "faith tradition," but no one else outside YOUR "faith tradition" can criticize your beliefs.
Got it.
Our church body believes it gives a public false witness when and if a representative of the Christian faith shares the platform and stage where representatives of other religions are given "equal time" and in which all religions are treated as equally valid expressions of truth. This has been the historic understanding and practice of the Christian religion for millennia and it would only come as a "shock" to a person who has become tolerant of the view that "every path leads to heaven." I applaud our Synod's president, Rev. Matthew Harrison, for discharging faithfully the duties of his office and working in a very pastoral manner with Pastor Morris. I also thank Pr. Morris for his keen sensitivity to the offense that his actions causes within our church body. If people are interested in reading the actual letter Pastors Harrison and Morris wrote they can follow this link:
http://wmltblog.org/2013/02/letter-from-president-harrison-on-newt own-ct/
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Your views on GLBT civil rights are equally fundamentalist and rigid.
Good luck on your one and only path to heaven.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)I really hope you think about it.
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern ConservativeBaptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2005/sep/29/comedy.religion
okasha
(11,573 posts)and it's still worth a chuckle.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)And who would those other groups be?
Other groups whose names are on the brief are the National Association of Evangelicals, the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention; the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod; the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America; the Romanian-American Evangelical Alliance of North America; and Truth in Action Ministries.
So praying for the victims of tragedy with other members of the community is forbidden. But interfaith coalitions are just fine when it comes to kicking LGBT people.
This isnt hypocrisy. Its just that the people in church of the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod hate gays way more than they love the schoolchildren of Sandy Hook.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2013/02/07/missouri-synod-lutherans-interfaith-action-against-gay-people-is-fine-but-not-prayers-for-slain-children/
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Talk about a perfect example of inane, even harmful beliefs.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)When I meet people like you in the street that ask if I am saved I reply that I was saved with everyone else on a hill in Jerusalem 2000 years ago. I think you should rethink your attitude. I think you should also rethink your bigoted attitude on LGBT people.
Repent!!!