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Related: About this forumA meaty question. Who should regulate kosher and halal food?
http://www.economist.com/news/international/21571419-who-should-regulate-kosher-and-halal-food-meaty-questionFeb 9th 2013 |From the print edition
KEEPING the governments nose out of anything with a religious whiff is one of Americas founding principles. With this in mind on January 31st a federal district judge in Minnesota dismissed a lawsuit contending that Hebrew National, a big American meat-products brand, fraudulently labelled its hot dogs 100% kosher. Critics had claimed that the meat used did not meet kosher requirements. The judge, however, ruled that since kosher is a standard intrinsically religious in nature, under the first amendment it was none of the courts business. Triangle K, the certifying body that gave the wieners the kosher seal of approval, and its Orthodox rabbis, would have to rebut the critics themselves. Unhappy customers could always shop elsewhere.
Few Western countries have laws explicitly regulating kosher or halal productschiefly meat produced by the ritual slaughter of animals, subject to particular standards of health or hygiene. Governments prefer to rely on private companies and market forces to do the job. If people find out certified items are not as pure as they claim to be, they stop buying them. When governments do get involved it is usually under the auspices of consumer protection or food safety. They have been wary of wading in on specifically religious grounds. But with Muslim populations swelling throughout Europe and the business of religiously approved goods booming, the question of how to regulate such products is becoming more urgent.
America has been battling with this issue for decades. Of its 50 states, 22 have introduced kosher-fraud laws over the past century. Anxious about the industrys rampant corruption (half of all kosher food was not), price-fixing and bitter rivalries (including drive-by shootings in poultry markets), New York started the trend in 1915 with a bill saying that food labelled fit for Jews must comply with orthodox Hebrew religious requirements. But in the past 20 years courts in Georgia, Maryland, New Jersey and New York have deemed such laws unconstitutional. New Jersey firms must merely produce documentary proof that their products are kosher.
Private certifiers have stepped into the breach. Five regulatory heavyweights (not including Triangle K) dominate the market, certifying products the world over. All the main kosher meat producers in America today adhere to the same stringent standard, glatt kosher, which includes especially careful examination of animals organs for any signs of illness that would render the meat unacceptable.
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Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)I see you have a new boat
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,316 posts)Is there an official list of rabbis, which anyone putting 'kosher' on a package would need to have used one of to certify it? Or can anyone call themselves a rabbi, and it's up to consumers to find out whether a certifier is using one they'd regard as qualified?
And the same goes for halal food; but it's probably harder to organise. Are you going to insist on an 'official' office-holder somewhere in the religion to certify it, like you do for a rabbi? Or can any observant Muslim do it, and the certifying organsation just gets a good reputation?
Meshuga
(6,182 posts)Therefore, it is up to them to trust the integrity of the source. The Orthodox community will only acquire their meat, for example, from a local trusted shochet.
Others will trust different kashrut organizations such as the Orthodox Union (the one with that puts its U in a circle label on certified products, at least here in the US) or some other organization that they trust.
I highly doubt that those who keep kosher would trust a non-Jewish organization (such as the government) to regulate kosher food. That would not fly.
Shomer Kashrut people are usually a pain in the ass. We have received these people for events (dinner, parties, shabbos lunches, etc.) in our house and they would not eat food prepared in our "treif" kitchen. So we had to buy food from a locally trusted Kosher Mart and use paper plates and plastic utensils to accomodate since even our plates were treif to them.
I am not sure how halal rules work so it might be different.
Meshuga
(6,182 posts)Someone who keeps kosher will certainly follow a known and trusted certification by a rabbinical group rather than follow a non-Jewish source (i.e., the government).
People who are shomer kashrut are usually strict and will go with a trusted source that is as strict as they are.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)I don't care.
pinto
(106,886 posts)When I want a product they make, I choose theirs. Supporters of civil equality for GLBTers. I know the family just slightly, second hand. One of the brothers was a steady financial supporter for GLBT programs in CA.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)religious issues. Interpreting the word of God is not the government's job, in my opinion.