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Related: About this forumScientology hides from grave allegations behind the mask of religion
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/07/scientology-hides-allegations-mask-religionL Ron Hubbard's church is under increasing attack, but by calling itself a religion Scientology is shielded from scrutiny
John Sweeney
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 7 February 2013 10.00 EST
Add religion to its treasure and power to intimidate, and the Church of Scientology may seem untouchable.' Photograph: Startraks Photo/Rex Features
Millions of Americans watching the Super Bowl were treated to a soft-voiced ad featuring knitting pattern magazine models boosting the church that L Ron built, but elsewhere the Scientology spring is gathering pace. The latest hammer blow against the church that likes to wear dark glasses is Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology and My Harrowing Escape a misery memoir by Jenna Miscavige Hill, alleging that her uncle, Scientology's "Pope" David Miscavige, is evil. A charge he denies.
Add a major lawsuit in the US by aggrieved ex-members, a criminal prosecution in Belgium, a war of attrition across the internet and three highly critical books so far this year.
Fear of Britain's libel laws meant that Going Clear by Lawrence Wright was not formally published in the UK, and no big UK publisher would touch my book, Church of Fear, but all three books are now on sale and make for horrible reading for "Pope" Miscavige and his celebrity apostles Tom Cruise and John Travolta.
Yet critics who hope that the end of the Church of Scientology is nigh are probably deluded, until someone powerful and brave on the other side of the Atlantic steps in.
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Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Unless ALL religion are a cult.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Like comparing arsenic, strychnine, and cyanide.
That all are poison doesn't negate the fact that some are MORE poisonous than others.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)A cult is just a religious group. In sociology, the word "cult" is just a short way of saying "alternative religion."
Cults are smaller than major religions, but I don't remember the cut-off numbers.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader
Followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
A religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false
A system of religious beliefs and rituals
An interest followed with exaggerated zeal
These cover a greater definition than what you expressed
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)took them off of Word Web and Merriam-Webster has about the same
longship
(40,416 posts)John Sweeney has been covering them for years in Britain. This is a good article.
What's not to despise about Scientology? They do no good. Not now. Not ever.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Unless ALL religion are cults.
longship
(40,416 posts)But let's not. Regardless, Scientology was set up as a money-making religion by L Ron, a scam.
Today, they are nothing but a thuggish, dangerous cult.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)the size of the congregation.
Couldn't the argument be made that they are ALL money making scams?
longship
(40,416 posts)However, my intent was to invoke "cult" in the more pejorative sense of the word. Because Scientology is cur-ay-zee as they come. (I mean other than possibly the House of Yahweh and their nuclear baby.)
But you are making a rhetorical argument here and I am making a cultural one. That's why I don't wish to go back and forth with you on it.
Everybody knows what I mean when I call Scientology a dangerous cult and that was the intent of my little post.
BTW, friend. Have you looked at the Rick Ross Site. That seems to be the clearinghouse for all things cultic. There's encyclopedic information and support for what society considers a cult... or not.
Regardless, Ross is the guy who researches this stuff and gets it out there.
Thanks for the response, my friend. But let's not get in a rhetorical disagreement here.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)We are in complete agreement.
Although, I would disagree that Scientology is any more "crazy" than any other religious belief system. I always find it amusing when a person that believes in some absurd nonsense, say, like a dead person coming back to life, calls another persons absurd belief "crazy."
longship
(40,416 posts)Darn! I was hoping to be able to begin the chair throwing.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)(I agree with you that the craziness is about the same.)
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)dimbear
(6,271 posts)Travolta is a highschool dropout, Cruise actually spent a little time in a Franciscan seminary before being invited to depart.
Just like the original apostles, not well educated.
tama
(9,137 posts)Finland and AFAIK most other countries don't give scientology the official status of religious organization. Why does US?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Some of them are legally established, like the rules about churches and taxes, etc.
However some of them are thanks to the cover of moderate believers who admonish atheists for being so rude for criticizing religious beliefs, and being upset with the lack of critical thinking applied to said beliefs.