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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:07 PM Feb 2013

Zen Groups Distressed by Accusations Against Teacher

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/world/asia/zen-buddhists-roiled-by-accusations-against-teacher.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


Joshu Sasaki in New Mexico in 2007. Some former students say they were encouraged to believe that being groped by him was part of their Zen training.

By MARK OPPENHEIMER and IAN LOVETT
Published: February 11, 2013

Since arriving in Los Angeles from Japan in 1962, the Buddhist teacher Joshu Sasaki, who is 105 years old, has taught thousands of Americans at his two Zen centers in the area and one in New Mexico. He has influenced thousands more enlightenment seekers through a chain of some 30 affiliated Zen centers from the Puget Sound to Princeton to Berlin. And he is known as a Buddhist teacher of Leonard Cohen, the poet and songwriter.

Nikki Stubbs, who studied at a Zen center with Joshu Sasaki from 2003 to 2006, said he would touch her inappropriately.
Mr. Sasaki has also, according to an investigation by an independent council of Buddhist leaders, released in January, groped and sexually harassed female students for decades, taking advantage of their loyalty to a famously charismatic roshi, or master.

The allegations against Mr. Sasaki have upset and obsessed Zen Buddhists across the country, who are part of a close-knit world in which many participants seem to know, or at least know of, the principal teachers.

Mr. Sasaki did not respond to requests for interviews made through Paul Karsten, a member of the board of Rinzai-ji, his main center in Los Angeles. Mr. Karsten said that Mr. Sasaki’s senior priests are conducting their own inquiry. And he cautioned that the independent council took the accounts it heard from dozens of students at face value and did not investigate any “for veracity.”

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TM99

(8,352 posts)
1. This is not uncommon sadly.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:43 PM
Feb 2013

Time and time again when celibacy is required in a religious tradition, abuses surrounding sexuality occur. Buddha taught a 'middle way' where one of the first five precepts is - no sexual misconduct. Excessive and abusive sexuality is one extreme of misconduct. Asceticism & celibacy is the other extreme from my experience.

One of my Zen teachers, Master Seung Sahn had numerous sexual relationships while 'being' celibate. Fortunately, they were consenting relationships and when confronted, he came clean before the school and the public.

Everyone makes mistakes, and I sincerely hope that if these allegations prove to be true, that Joshu Sasaki owns those mistakes, is honest, and does what ever is possible to make right what it may have done wrong.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. Agree. Sexual abuse is often much more about power than sexuality and when
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:49 PM
Feb 2013

requirements for celibacy are put into the soup, there is an increasingly high potential for trouble, imo.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
3. Bingo
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:55 PM
Feb 2013

Yes, like rape, sexual abuse is not 'sexuality'. That is simply a preferred tool to act out power & control issues upon a perceived 'weaker' entity.

I am in a Neo-Reichian tradition, and I definitely see a correlation (not direct causation) between repression & suppression of human sexuality and inappropriate sexual and physical behaviors.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. I see the correlation as well.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:02 PM
Feb 2013

A little off topic, but have you seen "The Invisible War"? It's a documentary about the massive problems with serious sexual misconduct within the military and is up for an Oscar. They provide some alarming statistics about the numbers of men who join the military who have previous issues with aggressive sexual misconduct.

The correlation with the desire for power and control is undeniable.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
6. No I have not seen that documentary.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:12 PM
Feb 2013

Thank you for the recommendation. I will definitely seek it out.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
5. Very interesting story. Seems like they were all consenting adults
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:09 PM
Feb 2013

who actually paid to be groped.

I wonder how many women he groped who did find it useful in their pursuit of their zen training. My guess is that their are plenty that didn't even consider it molestation. By the same notion if this crazy old monk actually believed he was helping them on the path to Zen, it isn't like these were kids they were adults.

The moral of the story is stay away from anyone who offers to fix you with magic and wants you to pay them.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. Excuse me? Paid to be groped?
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:17 PM
Feb 2013

These women are complaining about being groped and sexually harassed. When there is a power differential, the issue of "consenting adults" takes on a whole new meaning and the article clearly describes this as non-consensual.

Did you read the article or do you just assume that any woman (or man for that matter) that complains of sexual misconduct "asked for it"?

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
9. Where is the power differential? In make a believe world where he has Zen magic?
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:36 PM
Feb 2013

While they did print the word "non-consensual" the substance of the article doesn't seem to support that claim.

These women sought out his guidance and to quote the article, "The monk’s theory, common in Mr. Sasaki’s circle, was that such physicality could check a woman’s overly strong ego."

If they were children raised into this like Catholics that would be one thing, but when you join a cult with a charismatic leader who explicitly says that women need to be molested in order to overcome their own ego... why yes you are asking for it. And yes these women actually gave this guy money and continued to for years, it was their choice.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. There is always a power differential between religious or spiritual leaders and those
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:43 PM
Feb 2013

who follow them.

Are you making the case that because you dismiss this as Zen magic, the women someone asked for it? Really?

And are you really calling Zen Buddhism a cult?

Unbelievable.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
11. All religions are cults, and their chains are only in the minds of their followers.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:30 PM
Feb 2013

These women had the power to walk away, and the choose to continue you seeing him and paying him for his services for years and decades. They also had the power to refuse his advances like the one women in the article said she did.

Here is the real question, what about the women who swear by him and his methods? Are they also victims if they truly believe that being groped helped free them from the constraints of their ego?


cbayer

(146,218 posts)
12. Your take on religion as cult is, of course, only your opinion and not one widely shared.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:42 PM
Feb 2013

Unfortunately your position of blaming the victim is shared in some circles.

I've been hearing this argument my entire life. Women being harassed or abused should just walk away or refuse. They should dress less provocatively. They shouldn't walk in that neighborhood.

"Groping" is not a consensual sexual act, so the women who truly consent to this are in a different category than those that do not. Being sexually harassed happens in all kinds of male dominated organizations. Unless some stand up and call it out, nothing will change.

You might want to take a look at the documentary I mentioned above. Or not.

See you around the campfire.




YankeyMCC

(8,401 posts)
13. As a Zen practitioner
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 03:02 PM
Feb 2013

The fact that it appears there is a deep and wide problem that has and continues existed in many zen centers is disturbing and disappointing.

What helps is the fact that I have been part of many discussions about this with my sangha, our teachers, teachers from other centers, and the efforts of American Zen teachers Association to address the specific problems at the various centers and also the root of the problem.

Zen in America is still evolving, the newest generation of teachers have more and more brought American ideas of mutual respect, transparency, and divesting of authority to the Zen communities.

The teacher/student relationship in spiritual practice will always be a power/authority dynamic that will have opportunities for abuse.

From what I've seen I'm encouraged that by and large the Zen community is and will successfully manage those relationships and reduce the opportunity for harm and face the harm caused with full honesty and appropriate actions when harm does happen.

On Edit: Here is a (I think) a thoughtful post on this very subject from a Zen Teacher: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/monkeymind/2013/02/a-few-words-on-zens-sex-scandals-what-might-follow.html

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
14. Thanks so much for this, YankeyMCC.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 03:40 PM
Feb 2013

It's good to know that there is an awareness and that the issue is being openly and actively addressed.

While this potential exists in any hierarchical community, it is sad to hear about it in this context.

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