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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:32 PM Feb 2013

A Vatican Spring?

THE Arab Spring has shaken a whole series of autocratic regimes. With the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI, might not something like that be possible in the Roman Catholic Church as well — a Vatican Spring?

Of course, the system of the Catholic Church doesn’t resemble Tunisia or Egypt so much as an absolute monarchy like Saudi Arabia. In both places there are no genuine reforms, just minor concessions. In both, tradition is invoked to oppose reform. In Saudi Arabia tradition goes back only two centuries; in the case of the papacy, 20 centuries.

Yet is that tradition true? In fact, the church got along for a millennium without a monarchist-absolutist papacy of the kind we’re familiar with today.

It was not until the 11th century that a “revolution from above,” the “Gregorian Reform” started by Pope Gregory VII, left us with the three enduring features of the Roman system: a centralist-absolutist papacy, compulsory clericalism and the obligation of celibacy for priests and other secular clergy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/28/opinion/a-vatican-spring.html?hp&_r=0
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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. The problem as I see it is that the College of Cardinals is stacked
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:37 PM
Feb 2013

with rigid hierarchists bent on seeing that no John XXIII's arise out of the woodwork. They'll clone Ratzi for the next Pope.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
3. The same scum that have been covering up child rape are the same ones voting
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:11 PM
Feb 2013

They will choose one of their own and the crap with continue. Rome doesn't care about the people of the church, it cares about it's own best interest and always has.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
4. Its own best interests at this point
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:58 PM
Feb 2013

include a Pope who had no part in the abuse cover-ups. A Cardinal from Mars, if there were one, would be ideal. Barring that, I'm hoping for one not of European provenance--Latin American, African or Asian.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
6. It would be best of they could find someone with the courage to admit they made mistakes
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 12:22 PM
Mar 2013

and then takes steps to fix them. Apologies go a long way in doing that. Wouldn't you agree?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. The behavior of people like that will never be forgotten.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 02:01 PM
Mar 2013

It's sad that a simple apology, and acknowledgment of wrongdoing (with a promise not to do it again) would have done so much good, but that opportunity was wasted.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
8. Were an invitation sent privately asking for a private apology to go ignored...
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 02:24 PM
Mar 2013

it would lead one to conclude that the offender meant the wrongdoing.

That would explain the current behavior.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
9. At that point the behavior can only be described as malicious.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:31 PM
Mar 2013

But at least there can be no doubt that the perpetrator is acting out of hatred and bigotry, and has lost any semblance of moral ground on which they could try and criticize someone else.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
10. Agreed. There can be no other explanation of malice, hatred, and bigotry.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 06:22 PM
Mar 2013

Amazing how some would rather display that kind of behavior instead if acknowledging a mistake.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
5. That's exactly right.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:01 PM
Feb 2013

All the voting Cardinals are very conservative and they'll pick a new Pope that is as conservative as Pope Rat. was or one even more conservative than he was. Nothing will change. Imperium Romanum vixerit super.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
11. I think the "spring" metaphor has lost its luster
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 01:47 AM
Mar 2013

To me, it now seems to be something that looked really good, but in the end turned out to be false hope.

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