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Related: About this forumA Vatican Spring?
Of course, the system of the Catholic Church doesnt resemble Tunisia or Egypt so much as an absolute monarchy like Saudi Arabia. In both places there are no genuine reforms, just minor concessions. In both, tradition is invoked to oppose reform. In Saudi Arabia tradition goes back only two centuries; in the case of the papacy, 20 centuries.
Yet is that tradition true? In fact, the church got along for a millennium without a monarchist-absolutist papacy of the kind were familiar with today.
It was not until the 11th century that a revolution from above, the Gregorian Reform started by Pope Gregory VII, left us with the three enduring features of the Roman system: a centralist-absolutist papacy, compulsory clericalism and the obligation of celibacy for priests and other secular clergy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/28/opinion/a-vatican-spring.html?hp&_r=0
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)with rigid hierarchists bent on seeing that no John XXIII's arise out of the woodwork. They'll clone Ratzi for the next Pope.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Amazing incest.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)They will choose one of their own and the crap with continue. Rome doesn't care about the people of the church, it cares about it's own best interest and always has.
okasha
(11,573 posts)include a Pope who had no part in the abuse cover-ups. A Cardinal from Mars, if there were one, would be ideal. Barring that, I'm hoping for one not of European provenance--Latin American, African or Asian.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)and then takes steps to fix them. Apologies go a long way in doing that. Wouldn't you agree?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)It's sad that a simple apology, and acknowledgment of wrongdoing (with a promise not to do it again) would have done so much good, but that opportunity was wasted.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)it would lead one to conclude that the offender meant the wrongdoing.
That would explain the current behavior.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)But at least there can be no doubt that the perpetrator is acting out of hatred and bigotry, and has lost any semblance of moral ground on which they could try and criticize someone else.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Amazing how some would rather display that kind of behavior instead if acknowledging a mistake.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)All the voting Cardinals are very conservative and they'll pick a new Pope that is as conservative as Pope Rat. was or one even more conservative than he was. Nothing will change. Imperium Romanum vixerit super.
goldent
(1,582 posts)To me, it now seems to be something that looked really good, but in the end turned out to be false hope.