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IMO -- what it means to be christian - the whole shebang (Original Post) xchrom Mar 2013 OP
I think if you look at these metaphorically and not literally, they cbayer Mar 2013 #1
And the same to you! xchrom Mar 2013 #3
I don't disagree with you that these are all pangaia Mar 2013 #2
It's a long established list of 'Works of Mercy' muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #4
No one is saying they are exclusive to Christians. kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #5
Oh, I wish I'd read your reply before posting... Small Accumulates Mar 2013 #7
I don't call myself a Christian. I find meaning in many religions - like a "cafeteria Catholic" kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #12
Enjoy that Easter dinner with friends Small Accumulates Mar 2013 #16
Does one not also need to hold some belief that Christ was/is Divine in order to be Christian? Small Accumulates Mar 2013 #6
I'm not sure there is a universal perspective and that you will get different definitions cbayer Mar 2013 #8
I'll be curious to see those different definitions Small Accumulates Mar 2013 #9
Correct me if I'm wrong No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #11
Well, there you go. One could get a brazillion different definitions, couldn't they. cbayer Mar 2013 #13
there have been a number of so-called 'heresies'.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #10
Thanks for that perspective Small Accumulates Mar 2013 #14
yeh the arian connection wasn't as big in the novel.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #15
I see another great adventure awaits: Merovingian kings.... Small Accumulates Mar 2013 #17
Actually the Franks had been Orthodox Catholic Christians from the fifth century in the reign of Leontius Mar 2013 #18
in name only for the most part, as arianism was a heresy from the 4th c. on.. Phillip McCleod Mar 2013 #19

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
1. I think if you look at these metaphorically and not literally, they
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 12:00 PM
Mar 2013

pretty much cover all the bases.

Hope you are having a lovely Easter Day, xchrom.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
2. I don't disagree with you that these are all
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 12:04 PM
Mar 2013

admirable actions. I just don't see why they have to be connected with being a christian.
if you are christian.. a conscious Easter to you.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
5. No one is saying they are exclusive to Christians.
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 01:53 PM
Mar 2013

But they ARE central tenets of Christianity, and Christ taught to behave that way.



I only know this because I have actually read the red letter parts of the NT. I don't consider Christ divine, but rather divinely inspired.

Small Accumulates

(149 posts)
7. Oh, I wish I'd read your reply before posting...
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:44 PM
Mar 2013

I see you do not consider Christ to be divine, but divinely inspired. Do you think of yourself as Christian?

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
12. I don't call myself a Christian. I find meaning in many religions - like a "cafeteria Catholic"
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:45 PM
Mar 2013

but I pick and choose among many belief traditions.

I call myself a neopagan ecofeminist with Anabaptist leanings, lol. but I actually practice no religion at all. My Easter dinner today will be about enjoying friends without a whiff of religion except for when my host says grace before the meal, which takes him all of 10 seconds.

Small Accumulates

(149 posts)
6. Does one not also need to hold some belief that Christ was/is Divine in order to be Christian?
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:42 PM
Mar 2013

I was just thinking about this very thing this morning. What defines being a Christian?
I'm also wondering what, if any, relationship one must have with the Bible in order to be thought of as Christian. As a non-Christian, I would benefit from a universal perspective on what it means to be Christian.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. I'm not sure there is a universal perspective and that you will get different definitions
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 02:47 PM
Mar 2013

from different people.

Perhaps just following the teachings of Jesus is not enough, but belief that he was the Christ (sent from God) is the distinguishing mark.

I don't think one's relationship with the bible has much to do with the definition, though there are certainly some christian denominations that do.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
11. Correct me if I'm wrong
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:36 PM
Mar 2013

but is it not LDS (Mormon) belief that Christ was not divine?
Many say that LDS is not Christian, but they say they are.
(I'm not LDS and have no opinion on this.- Just reflecting opinions I've read.)

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
13. Well, there you go. One could get a brazillion different definitions, couldn't they.
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:46 PM
Mar 2013

I have no idea if they are Christian or not, but if they say they are, so be it.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
10. there have been a number of so-called 'heresies'..
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:34 PM
Mar 2013

..that have denied the divinity of christ. arianism (no relation to aryanism) springs to mind just because it played a central role in the 'jesus-magdalene-marriage' kerfuffle around 'the da vinci code'.

newton was an arian heretic so it wasn't *that* long ago that some believed they could be christian and jesus not divine.

Small Accumulates

(149 posts)
14. Thanks for that perspective
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:49 PM
Mar 2013

It made for an interesting Wikipedia excursion. I recall the Da Vinci Code kerfuffle, but not the aspect of arianism. I suppose if one is to hold that Christ had sexual relations with a woman, one would also have to hold that he was, therefore, a "created being," as are all humans in this view. Although, I recall Greek and Roman mythologies that didn't hesitate to permit congress between Divine and mundane beings, and even allowed for the existence of offspring.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
15. yeh the arian connection wasn't as big in the novel..
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 04:53 PM
Mar 2013

..as it was in the purportedly nonfiction book that inspired it, 'holy blood, holy grail' by baigent, leigh & that other guy they later disavowed.

long story short: the merovingian kings were largely arians until charlemagne ousted them. that part is historical fact for what it's worth.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
18. Actually the Franks had been Orthodox Catholic Christians from the fifth century in the reign of
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 08:40 PM
Mar 2013

Clovis, the third of the Merovingian kings.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
19. in name only for the most part, as arianism was a heresy from the 4th c. on..
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 09:44 PM
Mar 2013

following the anathematizing of arius it could get one.. er.. murdered to profess the creed. and yeah in all likelihood some of the merovingian converts *were* orthodox in their faith and true to rome in their policies (orthodox in the sense that 'right' thinking = 'roman church', naturally). history records that clovis, from whose name we get the kings louis, was a true convert. it records other things about his relatives and descendants.

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