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rug

(82,333 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:59 PM Jun 2013

5 religious facts you might not know about Frederick Douglass



A seven-foot bronze statue of Frederick Douglass, who is known as the father of the civil rights movement, was unveiled at the U.S. Capitol Wednesday (June 19). RNS photo by Adelle M. Banks

Adelle M. Banks | Jun 19, 2013

WASHINGTON (RNS) Frederick Douglass, whose seven-foot bronze statue was unveiled at the U.S. Capitol Wednesday (June 19), is known as the father of the civil rights movement. But the 19th-century abolitionist and former slave was also a licensed preacher.

“We do this not only to honor a giant, but also to remind one another of how richly blessed we are that such a man lived to prove that courage and ambition are not gifts of status but gifts from God,” said House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.

Here are five religious facts about Douglass:

1. He was a licensed lay preacher.

http://www.religionnews.com/2013/06/19/5-religious-facts-you-might-not-know-about-frederick-douglass/
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5 religious facts you might not know about Frederick Douglass (Original Post) rug Jun 2013 OP
This post will be followed okasha Jun 2013 #1
I don't think you'll see much of that... MellowDem Jun 2013 #7
Are you implying LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #8
I would venture to guess that the biggest factor was him being a slave. Goblinmonger Jun 2013 #9
One of the most brilliant writers of rhetoric in American history IMO struggle4progress Jun 2013 #2
"What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?" Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #3
He was a great writer. rug Jun 2013 #4
Ken Burns used that piece at the beginning of his "Civil War' documentary Adsos Letter Jun 2013 #5
Never heard of him. Now I have, thanks. rug Jun 2013 #6

okasha

(11,573 posts)
1. This post will be followed
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jun 2013

by at least half a dozen others claiming that Douglass' religion had nothing to do with his anti-slavery and other human-rights work.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
7. I don't think you'll see much of that...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:50 PM
Jun 2013

Religion had something to do with it. Just like it had something to do with pro-slavery positions. The God of the Bible very clearly advocated and sanctioned slavery (and genocide, rape, torture, etc.).

Trying to sell Christianity as an anti-slavery religion still makes no real sense to this day. But anti-slavery resonated with logic, rationality, secular morals and enlightenment ideals, and consistency has never mattered much in religion anyways. A person takes what they like and ignores what they don't.

The real point is that a belief in supernatural beings is not necessary to be a good person, but it can lead otherwise rational, empathetic people to take very hateful and bigoted positions, like the continued bigotry against the GLBT community, even by some of the first anti-slavery churches. That's the danger of believing things not based on rationality, but on a book like the Bible.

LostOne4Ever

(9,290 posts)
8. Are you implying
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:18 AM
Jun 2013

That he would not have been anti-slavery or supported other human-rights works had it not been for his religion? If that is so it sounds to me like you are selling a great man rather short. But I don't think that is what you are saying.

If what you want to say is that his religion kept him motivated, then that is fine and it deserves credit. However, by the same token, it deserves blame for motivating pro-slavery proponents and allowing them to think they were justified in their beliefs.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
9. I would venture to guess that the biggest factor was him being a slave.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jun 2013

Go ahead and argue against that.

struggle4progress

(118,350 posts)
2. One of the most brilliant writers of rhetoric in American history IMO
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:01 PM
Jun 2013

His anger and moral conviction about the justice of his cause shine through convincingly in sentence after memorable sentence

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
3. "What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?"
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:51 PM
Jun 2013

I still remember the effect this had on me, reading it for the first time in a course on the history of American ideas.

Smote me right betwixt the eyes, much as I imagine it did his original audience.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
4. He was a great writer.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:55 PM
Jun 2013
In thinking of America, I sometimes find myself admiring her bright blue sky — her grand old woods — her fertile fields — her beautiful rivers — her mighty lakes, and star-crowned mountains. But my rapture is soon checked, my joy is soon turned to mourning. When I remember that all is cursed with the infernal spirit of slaveholding, robbery and wrong, — when I remember that with the waters of her noblest rivers, the tears of my brethren are borne to the ocean, disregarded and forgotten, and that her most fertile fields drink daily of the warm blood of my outraged sisters, I am filled with unutterable loathing. - Letter to William Lloyd Garrison (1 January 1846)


"Unutterable loathing". Truer words were never spoken.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
5. Ken Burns used that piece at the beginning of his "Civil War' documentary
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jun 2013

Very, very powerful.

Ever read any of David Walker?

Walker excoriated the hypocrisy of "pretended preachers of the gospel of my Master, who not only held us as their natural inheritance, but treated us with as much rigor as any Infidel or Deist in the world — just as though they were intent only on taking our blood and groans to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ."[30] It fell upon blacks, Walker argued, to reject the notion that the Bible sanctioned slavery and urge whites to repent before God could punish them for their wickedness. As historian Sean Wilentz has maintained, Walker, in his Appeal, "offered a version of Christianity that was purged of racist heresies, one which held that God was a God of justice to all His creatures." - Wiki, with a quote from Walker's Appeal in Four Articles; Together with a Preamble, to the Coloured Citizens of the World, but in Particular and Very Expressly to Those of the United States of America. (1829)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Walker_(abolitionist)#Education_and_religion


Southerners took umbrage at his writings, to put it mildly.
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