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Eugene

(61,939 posts) Fri Jul 5, 2013, 08:48 PM Jul 2013

Popes John Paul II, John XXIII cleared for sainthood

Source: Associated Press

Popes John Paul II, John XXIII cleared for sainthood

Published: July 5, 2013 8:19 PM
By NICOLE WINFIELD. The Associated Press

VATICAN CITY -- Pope Francis yesterday cleared two of the 20th century's most influential popes to become saints, approving a miracle needed to canonize Pope John Paul II and waiving Vatican rules to honor Pope John XXIII.

In a major demonstration of his papal authority, Francis decided that John XXIII could be declared a saint even though the Vatican hasn't confirmed a second miracle attributed to his intercession. The Vatican said Francis had the power to dispense with such requirements and proceed with only one confirmed miracle to his name.

The ceremony is expected before the end of the year. The date of Dec. 8, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, has been floated as a possibility.

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Popes John Paul II, John XXIII cleared for sainthood (Original Post) Eugene Jul 2013 OP

Pope John The 23rd took way to long to become a saint. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #1

Not sure how someone skepticscott Jul 2013 #2

You'd think God could rummage something up... uriel1972 Jul 2013 #3

Well the traditional biblical idea of a saint is a believer living or dead. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #4

Why do you feel the need skepticscott Jul 2013 #5

I don't make anything up ok ! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #6

Your statement was skepticscott Jul 2013 #7

I was a bit rude in that reply. What I should have said and kept to is I thought it took too long. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #8

Actually, you were right, justin. okasha Jul 2013 #9

I thought I heard that years ago. The man was a living Saint. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #10

I didn't think edhopper Jul 2013 #11

They'll put an asterisk on his ruby slippers. n/t trotsky Jul 2013 #12

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

1. Pope John The 23rd took way to long to become a saint.

Reply to Eugene (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 08:52 PM

Jul 2013

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)

2. Not sure how someone

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:18 PM

Jul 2013

can take "way too long" to become a saint. The whole concept is silly to begin with, and the RCC isn't even following the rather dopey and arbitrary rules they did have any more.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)

3. You'd think God could rummage something up...

Reply to skepticscott (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:15 AM

Jul 2013

If it wanted someone to be a saint, being omnipotent and all.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

4. Well the traditional biblical idea of a saint is a believer living or dead.

Reply to skepticscott (Reply #2)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:18 AM

Jul 2013

I am not a fan of the RCC method but by their standards it took a long time.

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)

5. Why do you feel the need

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #4)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:44 AM

Jul 2013

to make things up all the time? Do you really need certain things to be true so badly that you can't bear to tell the truth about them?

Over the last 400 years, the average time between beatification and canonization has been 49 years. John XXIII died 50 years ago. By RCC standards, it hasn't taken long at all. You could have found that out yourself very easily, but you chose to invent a falsehood. Why?

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

6. I don't make anything up ok !

Reply to skepticscott (Reply #5)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 12:46 AM

Jul 2013

I was giving an opinion which I am allowed to do thank you!

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)

7. Your statement was

Reply to hrmjustin (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 09:59 AM

Jul 2013

that by RCC standards, John XXIII took a long time to become a saint. If you didn't make that up, where did it come from? What RCC standard did you base that "opinion" on? The objective truth behind that statement should be easy to verify and demonstrate, if you didn't just invent it out of thin air.

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)

8. I was a bit rude in that reply. What I should have said and kept to is I thought it took too long.

Reply to skepticscott (Reply #7)

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:32 PM

Jul 2013

I personally believe John the 23rd was a much more holy man than JPII. It should not have taken so long.

But yes it is not out of the ordinary for the RCC to wait half a century or more.

I am sorry for being rude to you.