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VISTA, Calif. -- The frontman of the Grammy-nominated metal band As I Lay Dying will stand trial on a charge of trying to hire someone to kill his estranged wife, a judge in San Diego ruled Monday.
The decision came after a preliminary hearing for Timothy Lambesis that featured several hours of testimony by prosecution witnesses, including an undercover officer who said he posed as a hitman named "Red" and met with the singer.
San Diego County sheriff's Officer Howard Bradley testified that Lambesis met him at a book store in May in Oceanside and told him he wanted his wife "gone."
Bradley told the court he asked Lambesis directly if he wanted his wife killed, and the singer replied, "'Yes, I do.'"
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/09/16/5739298/hearing-set-for-rocker-accused.html
rug
(82,333 posts)Is that the religious angle?
Really?
cbayer
(146,218 posts)it's contained in the very last line of the article.
Now that's some serious digging, SM.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Here's more
San Diego officials investigating an alleged murder-for-hire plot involving Christian metal singer Tim Lambesis found dozens of vials of what appeared to be steroids and thousands of dollars in cash in the musicians bedroom a detective testified Monday.
Homicide investigators found a lock box in Lambesis Carlsbad home containing a lot of different quantities of male enhancement-type drugs, male libido-type drugs and estrogen blocking drugs Det. John Buckley with the San Diego County Sheriffs Department testified.
There were approximately 30 to 40 vials along with different types of pill packages with more than $12,000 in cash, the detective said.
The steroids were found after the singer of the Grammy-nominated Christian metal band "As I Lay Dying" was arrested on charges of solicitation of another to commit murder and conspiracy to commit a crime on May 7.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Christian-Metal-Singer-Tim-Lambesis-Murder-for-Hire-Plot-Charges--223916341.html
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I went to their site and they don't identify themselves as religious or mention anything religious anywhere that I can see.
What does this really have to do with Religion? It's just an article about a lunatic who has, maybe, the thinnest thread of connection to some bizarre category called Christian metal. Their grammy nomination was for Best Metal Performance and was not in the religion category at all.
This is just petty.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Lambesis is heavily tattooed. His tattoos include a "rocking Jesus," and cyborg Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Koi fish swimming upstream, which represents a quest for meaning and fulfillment, Hebrew writing, a cross, Jesus Christ in clouds, and his largest (completely covering his back), a samurai fighting a tiger, which represents the battle between reason and instinct.
Lambesis grew up in North County. Lambesis was voted "Most Like Jesus" by classmates when he attended Santa Fe Christian School in Solana Beach as a teen. He majored in Religious Studies at Liberty University, a private Christian college that offers classes online.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Lambesis
cbayer
(146,218 posts)That some people that identify as Christian do bad things or suffer from drug abuse or mental illness?
Should we start posting stories about every non-theist who does the same? Would that say something about non-theists in general or just about the individual?
I guess I really don't understand why you do this.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)If you're bothered by what I post in here, please put me on ignore or simply trash the thread. Your obsessive need to comment on every thread in this forum comes off as nothing more than territorial pissing.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)And it is in indeed an open forum, SM. If my posting comes across as territorial pissing to you, feel free to put me on ignore.
In the meantime, I'll comment on any thread I want and all of them if I choose.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)That.
What hypocrisy.
rug
(82,333 posts)What conclusions should I draw from this?
longship
(40,416 posts)Unless, as has been suggested here, that some are exploiting religious rock to make it when they cannot in the secular rock community.
Then, you might have something. But I doubt that this one story rises to the level of good journalism to establish such a fact.
I generally do not like popular music, especially metal. It just sounds like noise and hearing damage to me. Louder is better? I don't think so. And don't get me started about rap, or whatever it's called these days. I guess I'm old.
The whole popular music business has screwed so many people over the decades.
No thanks. I'll stick to classical and jazz. (And quite a few of them got screwed, too.)
struggle4progress
(118,319 posts)the accused innocent until proven guilty
From a personal PoV, I'll add that I've never heard of this guy or his metal band, and that the genre doesn't seem very interesting to me
From a religious PoV, on the theory that he might indeed have solicited murder, I would merely add that I suspect the majority of persons who regard themselves as Christian, would not think (say) that any general prohibition of homicide could be conveniently side-stepped by hiring a contract killer to perform the actual deed -- nor that, if (say) the motive were to side-step the general prohibition of adultery, this could be conveniently achieved by first murdering one's spouse. But the actual religious objection is not the technical violation of some rule or rules: it is, rather, the failure to love others as much as one loves oneself
dimbear
(6,271 posts)whose religion doesn't forbid that act. It's the driver behind the shabbat goy and the reason medieval bankers were Jews.
struggle4progress
(118,319 posts)shabbat work, does not involve the breech of any universal moral law: the Jewish position on the day of rest has never been, so far as I know, that EVERYONE is obliged to take the seventh day off, but merely that particular religious community, and the hiring of someone to do shabbat work might actually be regarded as the performance of a mitzvah, by which one provides livelihood to someone else, who does work one could normally have done for oneself
Nor is the banking analogy necessarily apt: one might have personal scruples against lending money at interest oneself and yet feel no such scruples against borrowing money at interest from another. But this analogy comes closer to the mark from a historical perspective, since the borrowers were typically feudal lords, whose repayments were made by exploiting others and who, when they found repayment inconvenient, too often decided to moot the debt by stirring up popular antipathy against their creditors
dimbear
(6,271 posts)sanctioned by a number of religions over the years. It's particularly common to find religious approval of killing women; I believe you'll find that to be the explanation of the ritual of suttee. I choose that one because it was applied against otherwise blameless women, to find approved homicide against women for trifling causes is even easier. So called honor killings, for instance, jump to mind.
struggle4progress
(118,319 posts)simply permits murder, as a general rule, typically do not survive long
The question, of how groups carve out exceptions to this, by allowing the killing of "criminals" or of otherwise supposedly "inferior" populations (say, slaves or victims of conquest) is interesting, I suppose, and rather depends on place and time: in England only a few hundred years, one could be hanged for stealing a loaf of bread; in parts of the US not much more than a century ago, one could still be hanged for horse theft
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Sad to say it still goes on in isolated parts of the subcontinent.
Long, IMHO. Too long.
struggle4progress
(118,319 posts)In the period best documented in the early nineteenth century, the known incidence seems to have been about 0.2 cases per 100K of population per year. Current death rates in India are around 750 per 100K of population per year and were certainly much higher in the early nineteenth century. So sati cannot have been very common
dimbear
(6,271 posts)homicide in quantity, look to the Aztecs. They had it in abundance. Or if we stay on the subcontinent, look to the curious rites of Thuggee. To them homicide was a cardinal virtue. Also a long lived cult (though small) until done in by the hated Brits.