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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 06:48 AM Oct 2013

The Myth of Christian Persecution

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/myth-christian-persecution


Republican congresswoman Michele Bachmann (C) heads for a House Republican caucus meeting at the US Capitol building in Washington, DC on October 4, 2013

When Senator Rand Paul took the stage at last weekend's Values Voter Summit, it was clear he needed to up the stakes. Alongside a handful of other 2016 presidential contenders, Paul was auditioning for the far right’s support in a speech to the annual conference of Christian conservatives hosted by the Family Research Council at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, D.C. Making his task far more difficult was that fact that one of his rivals had just hit a home run.

Ted Cruz, the Republican senator largely blamed for orchestrating the government shutdown in a last-ditch effort to defund the Affordable Care Act, left the podium after a barn-burner speech punctuated by yells of protest from a handful of immigration activists who had entered the conference incognito. Each time the protesters interrupted Cruz’s speech, the audience throbbed with exhilaration and rage. Cruz—who would go on to win the 2016 presidential straw poll—paced the stage like a charismatic preacher, pronouncing amid thunderous applause, “The greatest trick the left has ever played is to convince conservatives we cannot win.” It was an appropriate tack for a man who’s been widely criticized for leading congressional Republicans into an unwinnable shutdown crisis. At least in Cruz’s mind, victory was still possible.

The air was much stiller after Paul took Cruz’s place behind the microphone. But the Kentucky libertarian plunged in, dispensing with a few boilerplate jokes about the Senate Republicans’ upcoming meeting at the White House before shifting to another conservative bête noire: Christian persecution in the Middle East and beyond. “Across the globe, Christians are under attack, almost as if we lived in the Middle Ages or under early pagan Roman rule,” Paul said, referring to the waves of violence against Coptic Christians, who were targeted following the fall of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. “This administration does nothing to stop it. And it can be argued that they’re giving aid and comfort to those who tolerate these crimes.”

The global war on Christianity is a perpetual topic on conservative talk shows, but it might seem like an odd choice for a politician like Paul, who's made his name as a libertarian Republican opposed to any kind of military intervention. As the Values Voter Summit unfolded over the next day and a half, however, it was clear that Paul was stepping onto a powerful rhetorical bandwagon. Throughout the summit, speaker after speaker bemoaned Christians’ status as an embattled people, fighting everything from Islamic radicalism to a shadowy “war on football.”
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uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
1. I am waiting for the War on War...
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 08:21 AM
Oct 2013

Let's be honest here, a small number of secularists pointing out the importance of the separation of church and state in the US is nothing to do with the actual persecution of actual Christians in the Middle East.

Christians in the Western World are safe from those uppity atheists and minority religions. Their most dangerous enemies appear to be themselves.

It may be a little difficult to invade the entire Middle East and it may make matters worse. The Iraqi Christians fleeing post Saddam Iraq for example.

In Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood are not in government, the military is and I suspect they would take a very dim view of a US invasion. International politics are a tricky business and you can't use force to solve every problem, especially when resources are limited.

All in all, the view from reality is pretty grim, but dealing in flights of fantasy that the VVS seems to be dealing in isn't going to help. I don't support discrimination on colour or creed, but I really don't have much power to change things in a global way.

I am reduced to relying on my government doing the right thing. Unfortunately what the right thing is, is very difficult to discern in the internecine struggles of the Middle East.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. That title is problemattic
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 09:51 AM
Oct 2013

I largely agree that American Christians aren't persecuted (on the contrary they have more power over society than they should. Most of what they label persecution is actually them complaining about losing special privileges they never should have had in the first place). But when you bring in the persecution of Coptic Christians in the middle east, well as near as I can tell that actually is happening. Unless I am missing something.

Bryant

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. Clearly they are not persecuted in the US, but the mantle of martyrdom serves
Fri Oct 18, 2013, 11:29 AM
Oct 2013

their political purpose.

The article takes a bit too long to explain this, imo, but that's the conclusion.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
5. The GOP has constructed itself as a weird coalition: I really don't understand why this gaggle --
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 03:21 AM
Oct 2013

of wealthy anti-regulatory laissez-faire business operators, fundamentalist Christians, racist/secessionist neo-Confederates, and other assorted kooks ("Look out! The Federal Reserve owns you! The UN will be marching into America's heartland at any minute! And raging hippies want to steal your guns!") -- doesn't collapse under the weight of it's own internal contradictions

It would be a mistake, of course, to underestimate their organizational power. But I also think it a mistake to try to debunk everything they say: arguing with crazy talk can have the unintended consequence of lending the crazy talk credibility in some people's eyes. They should be discredited from unexpected angles IMO, rather than faced directly on their favorite and familiar territories

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
6. I think it is collapsing under the weight of it's own contradictions
Sat Oct 19, 2013, 01:09 PM
Oct 2013

and that you have outlined the problem very well.

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