(not me.)

I see lion, rams, bulls and a half man half horse with a bow and arrow. Looks pretty aggressive to me.

just read it
it is self-evident
really...

If I translate it, that will limit it's banality

What a chart!
I'm sure you have Mittens chart probably posted in another place, but could you repost in this thread for grins?

Fiery critter, ain't she? That subconscious is gonna wanna lecture all us little people who are so beneath her. Wow... just wow.

I really don't want to breathe any life into Mr. Romney's chart
He's very soul sick
Forgive me

It's all about, "I've never been so accepted socially", so F U to all of you.
That's all I'll say.

Very sad for him but an understandable match with Queen Ann whose out of balance fire is burning her up.

and will turn that revenge upon the entire country given an opportunity. I "get" this but did not have it in those words. Thanks!

entitlement, arrogance in spades..
the Aries/Mars dominates.. which is probably her favorite word.
the moon in Sag points to her affinity w/horses..
and lots of Neptune.... involved with Mars..
which is she's righteous about her delusions...

And she's married to a...Pisces?
Love to see the composite chart...

the data on both? If so, pm me and I will create it.

birth time

actually, I do have his:

3/12/47
9:51 am Detroit

have at it

and besides, there IS no one except Ann, Mitt is just another of her toys

entitlement

you got it

Sun     21 Pis 11               Pluto    11 Leo 22
Moon    27 Sco 37               N. Node   5 Gem 29
Mercury 13 Pis 55               Asc.      1 Gem 01
Venus    8 Aqu 33               MC        6 Aqu 43
Mars     6 Pis 14               2nd cusp 25 Gem 00
Jupiter 27 Sco 33               3rd cusp 15 Can 14
Saturn   2 Leo 24               5th cusp  4 Vir 09
Uranus  17 Gem 51               6th cusp 13 Lib 25
Neptune  9 Lib 56

He is a pretty cold, indecisive dude, so he desperately needs Ann's fire and drive.

edit to say: Upon reading more of this chart, I can really see Rick's unfavorable opinion.

This guy is all over the map and possibly quite a lot of those places are dark, ruthless, irrational and into unhealthy fantasy. Plus, he has that me generation stuff as well as the Piscean melding with his environment. Since he chose to match himself up with Queen Ann, her unpleasantness is going to exacerbate his darkness. My 2 cents.

the Venus opposition to Saturn/Pluto in the IV, up and down the midheaven/nadir
that's the problem

when you are just placing the planets in the signs, usually, sometimes it does since the Moon can move up to 13
degrees in one day.

I asked because house placement matters to me too

You can get his houses but will a less accurate method for hers
Doesn't matter she's al me me me and out of control wo the houses

best source is www.astrothemes.com in france
also
I hear Lois Rodden's databank is now on line for free
She was THE source for most people:

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Main_Page

....well, not anybody who matters! Is her middle name "EGO"?

Anything in there EXCEPT fire? Yikes!

remember, her nature, she CAN'T do anything else

she found the right man

actually be an Ann presidency. I've said all along that she "cuts his meat for him". SHE was driving the jet ski on their vacay. In a photo op earlier this year, they were making cupcakes, or some such, at a business & she literally pushed him out of the way, took the spatula from him & did it FOR him! You could tell it was done in an unconscious, this-is-what-is-natural-for-us, manner. I knew then that she'd been "raising" him all along.

Nightly News (I think) but could have been a morning show, not sure. It was a couple weeks ago. Anyway, the thing that struck me was that she said something like "Well yes we will cut programs, and it will not be easy for everyone but it has to be done". And whoever was interviewing her replied, "So are you saying you will be weighing in on policy??" And of course then, both she and Mitt-Wit
tried to smooth it over. I knew right then what the real deal was, you don't have to be psychic to get her number, and FAST..lol.

"Romney’s Wife to Stand Next to Him at Debates"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125192323

"But Mrs. Romney’s statement “doesn’t pass the smell test,” says University of Minnesota political science professor Davis Logsdon, who studied the Romneys’ Sunday appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” and noticed Mrs. Romney “emitting a series of barely detectable signals and cues.”"

The above poster referenced original story at [link:http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/09/romneys-wife-to-stand-next-to-him-at-debates.html#ixzz266Wz4iJi 20|

This also makes me wonder if the report about Mitt's brain injury has more merit than anyone thinks.

He's so dang funny.

This campaign season has been so absurd it's getting difficult to tell the difference between the joke and the reality.

on the other hand, convenient if you want to toast marshmallows year round.

Seriously, she must be a real treat to be around in real life....

You sound like a trip to the beach yourself...

Yikes...I think I must be doing something right to have garnered my own personal troll

I like the fluffy pink cloud of love coming out of that Troll Be Gone! Thanks to the Moderators, that one sure didn't last long. I'm impressed!!!!

was sort of perplex me. I mean, here we are all spiritual and stuff, and we are dissing a woman with MS? Dissing anyone seems against what we purport to be about, but especially a woman who has suffered greatly, I would imagine.

but thank you for singling me out from all the other posters here who join me in not "getting" Ann's great suffering.

Hey, you lasted 22 entire posts this time. Running out of socks yet?

HAHAHAHA!!!!1 Love the Troll Be Gone Kookaburra.

Must have been a real nightmare having those two as parents.

Good grief!!!

like the dog

From an Irish Setter site:

The Irish Setter has been termed by artists to be the most beautiful of all dogs. With its flowing, silky red coat, long ears, soft expression and regal bearing, this dog turns heads wherever it goes.

My program has Ann's Mercury in late Aries ... 4/16/1949 ...Wow ! Grand Trine/6 planets and Node in Fire. Mitt is mostly Water and Air. No grounding in Reality for either of them.

My mother has a Grand Trine in fire, and she can NOT (forgive the caps here, not shouting, just trying emphasize) stand to be ignored. It really is all about her. Those poor kids and I can relate.

I'd almost see it as a heavy-handed swing toward a sense of self and self assertion that was lacking in the past. Like she really, really needed all that Aries energy to get it done.

And although I have never been too friendly with Aries types (and as a Sadge I am supposed to be), I am thinking her Moon in Sadge makes up for everything

I'm still surprised when we get a troll over here.

Their posting privileges have been revoked.

everybody thinks Sag is the magic answer to everything; a very common belief

it will get her out of trouble at 11:59, most of the time, but in the case of her chart
it makes her totally UNACCOUNTABLE for anything she does

Sag has a lot of down side that they never get "credited" for. Look at the financial collapse,
that was all from free-wheeling credit during Pluto in Sag 1995-2008

The whole chart must be looked as one piece

Sadges rock, the end.

Guilty as charged.

Rather that than Saturnine...

[link:|

she'll spend your money for you

I thought I'd give my wrapup perception.

The "problem" with Ann is the COMBINATION of all those factors. Granted, the MOON IN SAG is quite often a wonderful
placement, esp for those with too much up tight Scorpio, Capr, Cancer, Taurus, Virgo etc.

it loosens them up

BUT, when you already have a chart WITH WAY TOO MUCH SELF-ABSORBED ARIES, it blows the top off.

You must realize this:

TO MRS. ROMNEY, SHE SEES NOTHING AT ALL WRONG WITH WHAT SHE DOES. Period.

She FEELS entitled.

We all express the archetypes within us.

C'mon.. give us more homework.
We love the challenges....

ah...weehoppa.....Tell me why the Moon in Sagittarius CAN BE a very bad influence in the wrong chart....

I was hoping you'd post the basics of Michelle Obama's chart,
and let us play with that for a while,
comparing her to Queene Anne of RMoney..

moon in Sag...
sheesh.. loose with emotional attachments,
bad mother (too interested in running around)-
and a 'FU' attitude toward the feelings of others...
but I'm just riffin'...

Let's move off Ann... enough about her.

(no birth time, so used noon)

1/17/64 Chicago

Sun Capricorn
Moon Pisces
Mercury Capricorn
Venus Pisces
Mars Aquarius
Jupiter Aries
Saturn Aquarius
Uranus Virgo
Neptune Scorpio
Pluto Virgo
True Node Cancer

Solid foundation under her feet;
but her moon bespeaks great compassion, as does her Venus.
The Aquarius planets are her visionary discipline.
I wouldn't mess with Michelle, but she won't walk all over you like Ann would.
Michelle lay it out for you...

my moon is in sag

can be wonderful, all depends on the rest of your chart, as always

Could you please what date and time and place you use for her birth?

Moon in Sag, at least she used to care about social justice...

it's the combo of TOO MUCH FIRE, all the Aries with the Moon in Sag

in the debates with Clinton and Perot. His discussion of relating to the suffering of others is an academic reaction. Clinton does the big emotional connect in a follow up response.

There is a link to this floating around on DU thread this week.

Their empathy credibility might hold some sway IF they had empathy for a poor lame horse and a motion sick dog!

OTOH . I don't want a friggin thing from "those people" like her. Nothing is authentic.

These two couldn't look up empathy in the dictionary, the word would hid from them in the pages.

he knows and doesn't like 'people like her,' on Rachel show.

So let's try it MORE! LOL, couldn't happen to a nicer couple.

My Grandmother always said, referring to any unlikable couple, "hope they never divorce because then they might go out and ruin two decent people's lives."