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rug

(82,333 posts)
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 02:42 PM Oct 2012

Catholic voters target of aggressive push

By GINGER GIBSON | 10/15/12 12:19 PM EDT

A group of conservative Catholics led by a former George W. Bush campaign staffer is engaging in a highly-targeted effort to turn out regular Mass attendees in swing states on Election Day.

The most aggressive efforts are being waged in Ohio, where organizer Leonard Leo — the former Catholic outreach director for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign — and a group called The Catholic Association is trying to move the needle toward Mitt Romney.

Catholics as a voting demographic tend to be a bellwether group in a presidential campaign and are key to whether President Barack Obama or Mitt Romney wins three weeks from now.

But Leo, who Bush appointed to the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom and is on the board of The Catholic Association, argues those who regularly attend Mass are more likely to swing to the right and are motivated by concern that the church is being adversely affected by the Obama administration.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82410.html

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Catholic voters target of aggressive push (Original Post) rug Oct 2012 OP
Yeah, riiiggghhhht Lefty Thinker Oct 2012 #1
What are you talking about? rug Oct 2012 #2
The new, so-called-English translation Lefty Thinker Oct 2012 #4
Oh, I see. I thougt you were complaining about replacing the 1962 missal. rug Oct 2012 #5
That would be funny Lefty Thinker Oct 2012 #7
I think he's wrong about regular Mass attendees. mykpart Oct 2012 #3
I do. There are many false assumptions in their strategy. rug Oct 2012 #6
Bishop Martino's resignation very strange. olegramps Oct 2012 #8
I haven't been able to put my finger on it. rug Oct 2012 #9

Lefty Thinker

(96 posts)
1. Yeah, riiiggghhhht
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 05:52 PM
Oct 2012

Sure, change the text of your main worship activity to near incoherence, then blame your Church's problems on President Obama. I'm sure he was consulted as part of that process

Lefty Thinker

(96 posts)
4. The new, so-called-English translation
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:21 AM
Oct 2012

The Roman Catholic Mass is scripted by the Missale Romanum and its translations. Starting last November, Catholic parishes started using a new translation (based on a new revision of the Missale) developed under translation principles designed to satisfy the longing among some vociferous Catholic traditionalists for words as incomprehensible as the Latin used to be to most Catholics. Ultimately, though the new Missal translation failed to follow the guidelines set forth to hamstring the English traslation that was submitted in 1998, the 2010 translation is now the required wording for use in the Mass.

I can't give any examples off the top of my head...couldn't take more than about 8 months of the new dreck. Oooh, yeah, "for many, that sins may be forgiven" instead of "for all" -- that one does stick with me. But you have to check out some of the prayers that the priest says...I tend to lose count of the commas even in one sentence. And they brought back "through my fault, my fault, my most greivious fault" and the beating of the breast in the Confiteor.

Lefty Thinker

(96 posts)
7. That would be funny
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 04:04 PM
Oct 2012

Well the Church has spent the last 11 years (since Liturgiam Authenticum was promulgated) preparing to and shooting itself in the foot. I thought that blaming it on Obama, who obivously was not even in federal office for that whole duration and has no decision-making power in -- or even discernable connection to -- the Church was a good joke, but blaming him for choices made while he was still a child is . Thanks for the laugh.

It's like the classic Republican ploy: make sure something bad happens, then blame the other party to get yourself re-elected.

mykpart

(3,879 posts)
3. I think he's wrong about regular Mass attendees.
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 01:01 AM
Oct 2012

Remember people walking out of Church when priests read the USCCB voters guide at Mass?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
6. I do. There are many false assumptions in their strategy.
Tue Oct 16, 2012, 03:01 PM
Oct 2012

In my diocese of Scranton, Bishop Martino was notorious for these stunts. He publicly stated Biden would not receive Communion in his diocese during the 2008 campaign. He retired early for reasons never full explained.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
8. Bishop Martino's resignation very strange.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:29 PM
Oct 2012

He was a young man, in his early 60's I believe. His resignation was accepted without delay by the pope. I know that he was controversial. Were the problems faced by the Scranton diocese exacerbated by his demand for absolute obedience to his dictates? I can't help from wondering if the CCB and the pope were deluged with letters from the parishioners calling for his to step down.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
9. I haven't been able to put my finger on it.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 06:50 PM
Oct 2012

He was a careerist from the Philadelphia Archdiocese and the Scranton Diocese seemed to be his reward. Then he got swept up in the rightwing Catholic rhetoric and 2008 and became overtly political, although rather ineptly. Soon after he resigned. I suspect he drew too much attention and then old resentments from Philadelphia, which is often the case with careerists, were exploited. Poof he's gone. But that's only my speculating.

I do know that my daughter is getting confirmed on October 27 and Martino's predecessor, Bishop Timlin who is in his 80s, will do it. I've heard very little about Martino since he resigned.

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