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rug

(82,333 posts) Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:13 AM Apr 2014

When Pope Francis washes women's feet, arguments follow. Who's right?

Pope Francis washes the foot of a prison inmate March 28, 2013, during the Holy Thursday Mass at Rome's Casal del Marmo prison for minors. (CNS/Reuters/L'Osservatore Romano)

by David Gibson , Religion News Service | Apr. 15, 2014

On Thursday evening, in a familiar reprise of an ancient rite, Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison, Wis., will wash the feet of 12 men, all seminarians, a recreation of Jesus' action at the Last Supper, when he washed the feet of his disciples and, according to Catholic doctrine, formally instituted the priesthood.

That same evening, thousands of miles away, Pope Francis will also observe the Holy Thursday rite, though not in a cathedral like Morlino but at a center for people with disabilities. There, he will wash the feet of a number of residents, all laypeople, perhaps some of them women and even non-Christians or nonbelievers.

Francis did something similar last year, shortly after his election, when he stunned church observers by traveling to a juvenile detention center outside Rome and washing the feet of 12 young people, two of them women and two of them Muslims.

More than a few tradition-minded Catholics were aghast at the pope's example, and they welcomed Morlino's effort to hold the line against innovations, at least in his Wisconsin diocese.

http://ncronline.org/news/faith-parish/when-pope-francis-washes-womens-feet-arguments-follow-whos-right

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When Pope Francis washes women's feet, arguments follow. Who's right? (Original Post) rug Apr 2014 OP

Hmmmm. Did he use a loofah? grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #1

He's no O'Reilly. rug Apr 2014 #2

"who is right?" How sad that makes me that ANYONE would even ask... hlthe2b Apr 2014 #3

Are you referring to this? rug Apr 2014 #4

"Aghast at the pope's example"..... hlthe2b Apr 2014 #5

Frankly, I'm not sure what you're referring to in half your posts in GD. rug Apr 2014 #6

Supporting the Pope's example is against the rules of the Catholic safe haven group? REally?????? hlthe2b Apr 2014 #7

Is that what you're doing? rug Apr 2014 #8

OF COURSE that is what I am doing. What is your problem? hlthe2b Apr 2014 #9

Thanks for clarifying. rug Apr 2014 #10

Why did you attack me? What posts in GD have you concerned? hlthe2b Apr 2014 #11

I didn't attack you, I replied to you. rug Apr 2014 #12

It was your snark, not mine. hlthe2b Apr 2014 #13

Good, since it's not Meta either, we can both stop now. rug Apr 2014 #14

YOU are the one who attacked me for making a serious response to your OP & snarking me re: some hlthe2b Apr 2014 #15

Fine, I'll stop then. Anytime you're ready . . . . rug Apr 2014 #16

I can see a direct parallel sarisataka Apr 2014 #17

It's a very moving symbolic ceremony. rug Apr 2014 #18

Dear Bishop Morlino 47of74 Apr 2014 #19

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)

1. Hmmmm. Did he use a loofah?

Reply to rug (Original post)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:17 AM

Apr 2014

rug

(82,333 posts)

2. He's no O'Reilly.

Reply to grahamhgreen (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:27 AM

Apr 2014

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)

3. "who is right?" How sad that makes me that ANYONE would even ask...

Reply to rug (Original post)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:28 AM

Apr 2014

I guess RW fundies are not the only ones who haven't actually read the New Testament, yet proclaim to speak "FOR" Jesus.

rug

(82,333 posts)

4. Are you referring to this?

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:35 AM

Apr 2014

More than a few tradition-minded Catholics were aghast at the pope's example, and they welcomed Morlino's effort to hold the line against innovations, at least in his Wisconsin diocese.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)

5. "Aghast at the pope's example".....

Reply to rug (Reply #4)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:36 AM

Apr 2014

Really? You aren't sure to what I am referring?

Surely you aren't one who believes Jesus was a misogynistic, classist, 1%er, as apparently do many of the Pope's detractors.

rug

(82,333 posts)

6. Frankly, I'm not sure what you're referring to in half your posts in GD.

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:38 AM

Apr 2014

As it is, you're now in a safe haven group.

Along those lines, why don't you state directly what you're trying to say, without smileys if you can.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)

7. Supporting the Pope's example is against the rules of the Catholic safe haven group? REally??????

Reply to rug (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:39 AM

Apr 2014

REALLY?

rug

(82,333 posts)

8. Is that what you're doing?

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:41 AM

Apr 2014

REALLY?

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)

9. OF COURSE that is what I am doing. What is your problem?

Reply to rug (Reply #8)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:43 AM

Apr 2014

I am clearly calling out those (Wisconsin and elsewhere) who are castigating the Pope for setting the example that he is and which, is very clearly consistent with the teachings of Jesus.

Clearly. Which is why I asked in my first post (as per the headline of your linked article), how anyone could be asking WHO is right. Seems to me that is obvious.

rug

(82,333 posts)

10. Thanks for clarifying.

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:45 AM

Apr 2014

Carry on.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)

11. Why did you attack me? What posts in GD have you concerned?

Reply to rug (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:47 AM

Apr 2014

I didn't make a O'Liely loofah joke, but seriously addressed the topic you presented.

Yet, I am the one with whom you took offense and felt was posting inconsistent with this group? Umm, ok.

rug

(82,333 posts)

12. I didn't attack you, I replied to you.

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:56 AM

Apr 2014

Specifically this:

Really? You aren't sure to what I am referring?

Surely you aren't one who believes Jesus was a misogynistic, classist, 1%er, as apparently do many of the Pope's detractors.

Unlike GD, this group doesn't require snark, ambiguity or posturing to make a point. People are free to make direct statements without being concerned the statement will be met with that. It's a refreshing and imo productive change.

Yes, what you said was not clear. Now it is.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)

13. It was your snark, not mine.

Reply to rug (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:59 AM

Apr 2014

It was YOUR snark:

Star Member rug (57,660 posts)
6. Frankly, I'm not sure what you're referring to in half your posts in GD.

As it is, you're now in a safe haven group.

You really ought to apologize.

rug

(82,333 posts)

14. Good, since it's not Meta either, we can both stop now.

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 12:00 PM

Apr 2014

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)

15. YOU are the one who attacked me for making a serious response to your OP & snarking me re: some

Reply to rug (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 12:02 PM

Apr 2014

posts you claim I made in GD> YOU are the one who made this subthread META.

rug

(82,333 posts)

16. Fine, I'll stop then. Anytime you're ready . . . .

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 12:04 PM

Apr 2014

sarisataka

(18,656 posts)

17. I can see a direct parallel

Reply to rug (Original post)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 02:10 PM

Apr 2014

in washing seminarian's feet which is very symbolic of Jesus' action.

Even so, the message of humility and service that Jesus gives by His action IMO fully justifies a priest washing the feet of women and non-believers. It reinforces the message He came for all.

As an aside, I have been selected to participate in the foot washing at our parish. It is the first time I will be directly involved and it stresses me a bit. I'm going to wear sandals though temps will be near freezing; I don't want to have a dirty sock.

rug

(82,333 posts)

18. It's a very moving symbolic ceremony.

Reply to sarisataka (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:53 PM

Apr 2014

Francis is acutely aware of the message it sends.

47of74

(18,470 posts)

19. Dear Bishop Morlino

Reply to rug (Original post)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:51 PM

Apr 2014

Please take a lesson from Jesus Christ and your lawfully elected superior and stop trying to undermine both.

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