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Wed Jun 25, 2014, 05:29 PM Jun 2014

Are Lutherans Catholic?

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Mathew Block
6 . 24 . 14

“This is the catholic faith; whoever does not believe it faithfully and firmly cannot be saved.”

So spoke many of us while confessing the Athanasian Creed a little while back on Trinity Sunday. But for those of us who are not “Roman” Catholic, speaking this way inevitably leads to a few raised eyebrows. On more than one occasion, I’ve heard fellow Lutherans ask the question: “Why did we say those words today? After all, we’re not really catholic... are we?”

The word is all the more striking for Lutherans of my tradition (ie, confessional Lutheranism) because our liturgy tends to substitute the word “Christian” for “Catholic” in the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds. We believe in “one holy Christian and Apostolic Church,” we say. This translation is actually an old tradition—older than the Reformation itself, in fact—but its continued use by English-speaking Lutherans can cause confusion. It sounds to many like a rejection of the “catholic” label. We’re Christian, we seem to be saying, but not Catholic.

Not so with the Athanasian Creed: Our liturgy retains the word “catholic” here. “Whoever desires to be saved must, above all, hold the catholic faith,” reads the first line. So when Trinity Sunday rolls around, congregants end up surprised. “Okay, so we’re catholic,” they concede. “But what does that mean?”

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2014/06/are-lutherans-catholic

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/may/gospel-for-everyone.html?paging=off

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Given that "catholic" means hedgehog Jun 2014 #1

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1. Given that "catholic" means
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 09:18 AM
Jun 2014

" 1. broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded; liberal.

2. universal in extent; involving all; of interest to all.

3. pertaining to the whole Christian body or church."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/catholic?s=t


and that most Lutherans practice open Communion, one might argue that they are more catholic than the Catholics!

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